First, let’s look at the scene of Jesus’ arrest. It also shows that for the narration of the same event, we must use a union, that is, we must match all the narrations so that we can restore the situation at that time.  Second, we shared Peter’s first denial of the Lord. John was the only person who witnessed all the events that happened after Jesus was arrested, and the Book of John was written last. Thus he added in the details that were not written in other Gospels, and explained in detail the differences between the first Peter’s denial and the last two ones.  Third, we recounted Jesus’ trial before Annas, the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest. He was first brought before Annas bound.  Fourth, we continue to look at Peter’s second and third denials of the Lord and his repentance.  Fifth, we look at Jesus, the King of truth, from his trial before Caiaphas to his trial before Governor Pilate.  Finally, we see that Pilate could find no guilt in Jesus, but he ultimately decided against his conscience to hand Him over to the Jews to do whatever they wanted with Him.

1. Jesus’ arrest

“When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the ravine of the Kidron, where there was a garden, in which He entered with His disciples. Now Judas also, who was betraying Him, knew the place, for Jesus had often met there with His disciples. Judas then, having received the Roman cohort and officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees, came there with lanterns and torches and weapons. So Jesus, knowing all the things that were coming upon Him, went forth and said to them, “Whom do you seek?” They answered Him, “Jesus the Nazarene.” He said to them, “I am He.” And Judas also, who was betraying Him, was standing with them. So when He said to them, “I am He,” they drew back and fell to the ground. Therefore He again asked them, “Whom do you seek?” And they said, “Jesus the Nazarene.” Jesus answered, “I told you that I am He; so if you seek Me, let these go their way,” to fulfill the word which He spoke, “Of those whom You have given Me I lost not one.” Simon Peter then, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s slave, and cut off his right ear; and the slave’s name was Malchus. So Jesus said to Peter, “Put the sword into the sheath; the cup which the Father has given Me, shall I not drink it?” So the Roman cohort and the commander and the officers of the Jews, arrested Jesus and bound Him, and led Him to Annas first; for he was father-in-law of Caiaphas, who was high priest that year. Now Caiaphas was the one who had advised the Jews that it was expedient for one man to die on behalf of the people.”(John 18:1-14)

We have just shared that John was the only person who saw all the things that happened after Jesus was arrested, and the Book of John was also the last one among Gospels written. We see that he basically did not repeat things that were already written in other gospels. We use the word “basically” because he had to repeat some of the things described in other Gospels when adding details.  That is to say, when describing the same event, we must use the union of the narrations in the four Gospels, that is, we must match all the narrations so that we can restore the situation at that time.

The garden must refer to the Garden of Gethsemane, where Jesus prayed, “…yet not what I will, but what You will.”(Mark 14:36) This is a promised prayer, for the Scripture says, “In the days of His flesh, He offered up both prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His piety.”(Hebrews 5:7) So this refers to the prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane, because He prayed that Your will should be done, and the Father’s will was for Him to go to the cross to accomplish salvation, so Jesus did know what was going to happen to Him.

Then it was Judas who revealed Jesus through an intimate kiss (see Matthew 26:47-49). We see that they wanted to be 100% sure, so they asked Jesus personally, and when He answered, they fell to the ground.  We also see why He confirmed a second time that He was the one they were looking for, because He wanted to keep the rest of the people safe and wanted them to arrest only Him. The verse here also clearly states that He was arrested and brought to Annas.

During the process, a small incident occurred. Peter cut off the right ear of Malchus, the high priest’s servant. Luke 22:50-51 also recorded this incident and said that Jesus healed him. However, Luke did not mention the servant’s name. We can also see why the same thing had to be linked together.  In addition, this also explains why Jesus asked Peter to sheath his sword. He certainly knew that Peter could not protect Him with only that sword. Since He wanted Peter not to go to jail because hurting the other, so He performed a miracle to heal Malchus. This miracle was performed on a person with his name and is unquestionable.  On the other hand, this miracle also saved the impulsive Peter. Otherwise, we can imagine that Malchus and his relative who was present would not have let it go, and Peter would have had to go to jail!

2. Peter’s first denial

“Simon Peter was following Jesus, and so was another disciple. Now that disciple was known to the high priest, and entered with Jesus into the court of the high priest, but Peter was standing at the door outside. So the other disciple, who was known to the high priest, went out and spoke to the doorkeeper, and brought Peter in. Then the slave-girl who kept the door said to Peter, “You are not also one of this man’s disciples, are you?” He said, “I am not.” Now the slaves and the officers were standing there, having made a charcoal fire, for it was cold and they were warming themselves; and Peter was also with them, standing and warming himself.”(John 18:15-18)

We see before His arrest, “Peter said to Him, “Even if I have to die with You, I will not deny You.” All the disciples said the same thing too.”(Matthew 26:35) But the old self is unreliable, and when the time comes, “…Then all the disciples left Him and fled.”(Matthew 26:56) Peter was at least better, because “…Peter was following Him at a distance as far as the courtyard of the high priest, and entered in, and sat down with the officers to see the outcome.”(Matthew 26:58) Before Jesus had been judged, Peter already denied the Lord the first time without really realizing it!  It was not until the Holy Spirit came on the first Pentecost after the Lord’s resurrection that the disciples had the power to bear witness for the Lord, so they had to rely on the Holy Spirit. Same for us nowadays.

3. Trial before Annas, the father-in-law of Caiaphas, the high priest

“The high priest then questioned Jesus about His disciples, and about His teaching. Jesus answered him, “I have spoken openly to the world; I always taught in synagogues and in the temple, where all the Jews come together; and I spoke nothing in secret. Why do you question Me? Question those who have heard what I spoke to them; they know what I said.” When He had said this, one of the officers standing nearby struck Jesus, saying, “Is that the way You answer the high priest?” Jesus answered him, “If I have spoken wrongly, testify of the wrong; but if rightly, why do you strike Me?” So Annas sent Him bound to Caiaphas the high priest.”(John 18:19-24)

The high priest here refers to Caiaphas’ father-in-law Annas, because they would later take Jesus to the high priest Caiaphas.  Annas had judged Him in advance, and He was just telling the truth. We can also see Annas’ usual arrogance, because even his servants would beat people at will!

4. Peter’s second and third denials

“Now Simon Peter was standing and warming himself. So they said to him, “You are not also one of His disciples, are you?” He denied it, and said, “I am not.” One of the slaves of the high priest, being a relative of the one whose ear Peter cut off, said, “Did I not see you in the garden with Him?” Peter then denied it again, and immediately a rooster crowed.”(John 18:25-27)

Peter’s three denials are recorded in all four Gospels, the others being Matthew 26:69-75, Mark 14:66-72, and Luke 22:54-62. There is also a record of Peter’s repentance, as the scripture says, “And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, “Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.”(Matthew 26:75) If we take the narrative of the four Gospels together, we can understand what happened. It is quite long, so we’ll not go into details. Please go and read it yourself.

What we want to emphasize is the promise of the Bible, “If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”(1 John 1:9) Jesus prayed before for Peter, “but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers.”(Luke 22:32) Jesus knew in advance that Peter would repent, and after he repented he did as Jesus’ prayer, and remained the leader among the apostles.

5. The trial of the King of truth before Pilate the Governor

“Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas into the Praetorium, and it was early; and they themselves did not enter into the Praetorium so that they would not be defiled, but might eat the Passover. Therefore Pilate went out to them and said, “What accusation do you bring against this Man?” They answered and said to him, “If this Man were not an evildoer, we would not have delivered Him to you.” So Pilate said to them, “Take Him yourselves, and judge Him according to your law.” The Jews said to him, “We are not permitted to put anyone to death,” to fulfill the word of Jesus which He spoke, signifying by what kind of death He was about to die. Therefore Pilate entered again into the Praetorium, and summoned Jesus and said to Him, “Are You the King of the Jews?” Jesus answered, “Are you saying this on your own initiative, or did others tell you about Me?” Pilate answered, “I am not a Jew, am I? Your own nation and the chief priests delivered You to me; what have You done?” Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.” Therefore Pilate said to Him, “So You are a king?” Jesus answered, “You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.””(John 18:28-37)

We have previously shared Matthew 26:57-68 about the trial before Caiaphas. According to Roman law, the Sanhedrin did not have the authority to kill, and this is also confirmed here.  So He was taken to the governor Pilate, hoping that he would sentence Him to death. After some twists and turns, they finally nailed Jesus to the cross as they wished.

First, the scripture tells us why Pilate came out of the Praetorium, and then they accused Him by lying, which also proved that although they wanted to kill Jesus, they did not have the authority.  Pilate interrogated Him in the Praetorium and the verses recounted his conversation with Jesus. When he asked Jesus whether He was the King of the Jews, Jesus said directly that He was the King who bore witness to the truth, that His kingdom was not of this world, and that only those who belonged to the truth would listen to His words, and that He came into this world for this reason.  Indeed, He is “…the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth.”(John 1:14) He came to bring us a more abundant life, as the scripture says, “…I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly.”(John 10:10)

6. Pilate could not find any guilt in Jesus

“Pilate said to Him, “What is truth?” And when he had said this, he went out again to the Jews and said to them, “I find no guilt in Him. But you have a custom that I release someone for you at the Passover; do you wish then that I release for you the King of the Jews?” So they cried out again, saying, “Not this Man, but Barabbas.” Now Barabbas was a robber.”(John 18:38-40)

We know from what Pilate said that he didn’t care what the truth was!  This also shows that he finally made the decision to crucify Jesus against his conscience, because Pilate said, “…I find no guilt in Him.”(John 18:38) Among this period, he also sent Him to Herod for judgment, “No, nor has Herod, for he sent Him back to us; and behold, nothing deserving death has been done by Him.”(Luke 23:15)

He gave the Jews a choice whether to release Jesus, but the Jews hated the innocent Jesus so much that they chose to release the famous robber and prisoner Barabbas, who “…was one who had been thrown into prison for an insurrection made in the city, and for murder.”(Luke 23:19) Finally, “But they were insistent, with loud voices asking that He be crucified. And their voices began to prevail. And Pilate pronounced sentence that their demand be granted. And he released the man they were asking for who had been thrown into prison for insurrection and murder, but he delivered Jesus to their will.”(Luke 23:23-25) Pilate made such a decision really against his conscience!

(Verses refer to those in NASB95 unless otherwise specified.)

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    首先，我们将交通神的荣耀，和耶稣基督的荣耀。第二，我们谈到主的道的来源和祂为使徒们的祈求。第三，使徒们将见主从死里复活，会将充满著主所赐不能夺去的喜乐。最后看到祂为相信祂的人祈求，使他们在祂里面合而为一，我们要做的是彰显出来祂所赐的合一，也讨论了一个相关的问题，就是按圣经的说法，有一段时间，圣灵和邪灵会同时存在于基督徒身上。

1. 荣耀的父神和耶稣基督       

    『耶稣说了这话，就举目望天说：「父啊，时候到了，愿你荣耀你的儿子，使儿子也荣耀你。正如你曾赐给他权柄，管理凡有血气的，叫他将永生赐给你所赐给他的人。认识你独一的真神，并且认识你所差来的耶稣基督，这就是永生。我在地上已经荣耀你，你所托付我的事，我已成全了。父啊，现在求你使我同你享荣耀，就是未有世界以先，我同你所有的荣耀。』(约翰福音 17:1-5)        

    关于荣耀，这和世人想得是多么不同，我们看看耶稣复活后是怎么说的？耶稣对他们(去以马忤斯的二门徒)说：「无知的人哪，先知所说的一切话，你们的心信得太迟钝了。基督这样受害，又进入他的荣耀，岂不是应当的吗？」』(路加福音 24:25-26) 这是指耶稣钉十字架而荣耀了父神，『他本有神的形像，不以自己与神同等为强夺的，反倒虚己，取了奴仆的形像，成为人的样式。既有人的样子，就自己卑微，存心顺服，以至于死，且死在十字架上。』(腓立比书 2:6-8) 所以耶稣在道成肉身前本是与神同等的。再就这节经文来看，『父啊，现在求你使我同你享荣耀，就是未有世界以先，我同你所有的荣耀。』(约翰福音 17:5) 这不是很明显的说，在没有时间之前，祂是与父神同尊同荣的。    

     因为祂是道成肉身的完全的人，所以会这样说，『「我现在心里忧愁，我说甚么才好呢？父啊，救我脱离这时候，但我原是为这时候来的。父啊，愿你荣耀你的名。」 当时就有声音从天上来说：「我已经荣耀了我的名，还要再荣耀。」』(约翰福音 12:27-28) 如果祂在道成肉身的这段期间是用祂的神性，怎么会心里忧愁？是的，祂知道自己为这时候而来，因此是心甘情愿的如此受死，荣耀了父的名。祂一生都顺服神，如经文所说，『…父怎样吩咐我，我就怎样行。…』(约翰福音 14:31) 祂在上十字架前的客西马尼园，俯伏在地祷告时不就是这么说吗？『我父啊，倘若可行，求你叫这杯离开我；然而，不要照我的意思，只要照你的意思。』(马太福音 26:39)     

    我们要强调，在祂道成肉身这段时间中，祂是人子，『并且因为他是人子，就赐给他行审判的权柄。』(约翰福音 5:27) 『所以神将他升为至高，又赐给他那超乎万名之上的名，叫一切在天上的、地上的和地底下的，因耶稣的名无不屈膝，无不口称耶稣基督为主，使荣耀归与父神。』(腓立比书 2:9-11) 神有绝对的主权，祂是这样定规了，当我们称耶稣基督为主时，就是荣耀归与父神了！圣经是神所默示的，我们实在是不要强解圣经，照著圣经的教导去遵行。        

    耶稣也不是没有在人间有父赐给祂的荣耀，我们看祂做的事情就知道这点，祂自己说，『就是瞎子看见，瘸子行走，长大痲疯的洁净，聋子听见，死人复活，穷人有福音传给他们。』(马太福音 11:4-5) 不只是如此，祂也行了各样的神迹如如五饼二鱼般，有些事甚至明说了是为叫祂得荣耀而有的。譬如当耶稣使拉撒路从死透中复活的时候之前，曾这样说过，『…这病不至于死，乃是为神的荣耀，叫神的儿子因此得荣耀。』(约翰福音 11:4) 祂的生命不会因人间得到的荣耀而改变的，祂仍然是『我心里柔和谦卑，…』(马太福音 11:29) 通常一个人在世上得到这么大的荣耀是很容易骄傲的，而祂没有，是祂本有谦卑的生命，我们的标杆是要模成祂的形像 (参罗马书 8:29)。        

    接著就说到祂奉差遣在人间的任务是，『认识你独一的真神，并且认识你所差来的耶稣基督，这就是永生。』(约翰福音 17:3) 我们分享过，在道成肉身的这段时间是有一个次序的，父差子，子不去，圣灵不来。祂并很清楚的说，『我在地上已经荣耀你，你所托付我的事，我已成全了。』(约翰福音 17:4) 祂也说明了祂的确在道成肉身这段时间是在虚己，因祂是三位一体的神中的一位，在创世以前是和神同尊同荣的。

2. 耶稣的道的来源和祂的祈求       

    『你从世上赐给我的人，我已将你的名显明与他们。他们本是你的，你将他们赐给我，他们也遵守了你的道。如今他们知道，凡你所赐给我的，都是从你那里来的。因为你所赐给我的道，我已经赐给他们。他们也领受了，又确实知道，我是从你出来的，并且信你差了我来。我为他们祈求，不为世人祈求，却为你所赐给我的人祈求，因他们本是你的。凡是我的都是你的，你的也是我的，并且我因他们得了荣耀。从今以后，我不在世上，他们却在世上，我往你那里去。圣父啊，求你因你所赐给我的名保守他们，叫他们合而为一，像我们一样。我与他们同在的时候，因你所赐给我的名保守了他们，我也护卫了他们；其中除了那灭亡之子，没有一个灭亡的，好叫经上的话得应验。』(约翰福音 17:6-12)        

    祂明显的说祂已经完成了任务，那些赐给祂的属神的人，一个都没有失落，并遵行了祂的话，就是赐给他们的神的道，且确实知道和相信耶稣基督是奉神差遣而来。我们在这里要强调知道和相信是不同的两件事，经文说，『可见信道是从听道来的，听道是从基督的话来的。』(罗马书 10:17) 可以光是听道而知道但不遵行，遵行道的人才是真正相信的人。

    在这里祂是为他们祈求，但不是要他们离开世上，而是要保守他们，在地上作祂的见证，就如经文所说，『但圣灵降临在你们身上，你们就必得著能力；并要在耶路撒冷、犹太全地和撒马利亚，直到地极，作我的见证。』(使徒行传 1:8) 他们也的确是虽知会因此而摆上生命，却虽仍一路往前。以彼得为例，耶稣是已告诉了他，『我实实在在地告诉你：你年少的时候，自己束上带子，随意往来；但年老的时候，你要伸出手来，别人要把你束上，带你到不愿意去的地方。』(约翰福音 21:18) 『耶稣说这话，是指著彼得要怎样死，荣耀神。…』(约翰福音 21:19)        

    这是在最后的晚餐中，当卖主的犹大出去后(参约翰福音 13:30)，在分离的祷告中对十一个使徒说的一些话，我们就看看他们是如何被选出的？『那时，耶稣出去，上山祷告，整夜祷告神。到了天亮，叫他的门徒来，就从他们中间挑选十二个人，称他们为使徒。』(路加福音 6:12-13) 这里面是包括了卖主的犹大，祂明知犹大会卖祂，作为一个人，只能整夜去祷告确定如此，最后是顺服了神，所以会说，『我与他们同在的时候，因你所赐给我的名保守了他们，我也护卫了他们；其中除了那灭亡之子，没有一个灭亡的，好叫经上的话得应验。』(约翰福音 17:12)        

    当经上的话应验时，救恩的计划就开始成就了，所以祂在十字架会『…说：「成了！」便低下头，将灵(魂, 原文没这字)交付神了。』(约翰福音 19:30) 第三日的复活，就这么完成了救恩，『耶稣被交给人，是为我们的过犯；复活，是为叫我们称义。』(罗马书 4:25) 『所以我们借著洗礼归入死，和他一同埋葬，原是叫我们一举一动有新生的样式，像基督借著父的荣耀从死里复活一样。我们若在他死的形状上与他联合，也要在他复活的形状上与他联合。』(罗马书 6:4-5)     

    这就是洗礼的意义，我们分享过在一般的情况下，是要如大使命所说受洗的，『所以你们要去，使一切外国人都做门徒，给他们施洗，归于父子圣灵的名。』(马太福音 28:19, 吕振中译本) 耶稣也作了我们的榜样，『耶稣回答说：「你暂且许我，因为我们理当这样尽诸般的义。」于是(施洗)约翰许了他。耶稣受了洗，随即从水里上来。…』(马太福音 3:15-16) 但也有特例，和耶稣同钉十字架的一位强盗是真信了，但他那里有机会受洗，『耶稣对他说：「我实在告诉你：今日你要同我在乐园里了。」』(路加福音 23:43) 他是死后到了乐园，但圣经从来都没有像有些人所相信的，每个基督徒都是死后到乐园去等候白色大宝座的审判。

3. 喜乐、神真理的道、和奉差遣       

    『现在我往你那里去，我还在世上说这话，是叫他们心里充满我的喜乐。我已将你的道赐给他们。世界又恨他们，因为他们不属世界，正如我不属世界一样。我不求你叫他们离开世界，只求你保守他们脱离那恶者。他们不属世界，正如我不属世界一样。求你用真理使他们成圣，你的道就是真理。你怎样差我到世上，我也照样差他们到世上。我为他们的缘故，自己分别为圣，叫他们也因真理成圣。』(约翰福音 17:13-19)        

    现在是耶稣告诉他们即将发生的事情，所以他们知道关于祂说的预言都是真的，因而心中充满了喜乐，且『…这喜乐也没有人能夺去。』(约翰福音 16:22) 祂因世人恨祂而上十字架，当然也恨那跟随祂而不属世界的人。祂的时候到了即将离去，祂差遣了他们，知道他们必须仍在世上作祂的见证，因此只祈求神在他们时间未到的时候，保守他们脱离那恶者撒但。        

    我们要强调时间到了的这点，因为世人通常以为长寿就意谓著有神的保守，不是这样的！新约就很明显的告诉我们，使徒雅各相当年轻就过世了，经文说，『那时，希律王下手苦害教会中几个人，用刀杀了约翰的哥哥雅各。』(使徒行传 12:1-2)  但『在耶和华眼中，看圣民之死极为宝贵。』(诗篇 116:15) 难道是耶稣的祈求没有成就吗？不是的，是雅各的时间到了。为什么这样说呢？在启示录 21:2，我们看见圣城新耶路撒冷由神那里从天而降，『城墙有十二根基，根基上有羔羊十二使徒的名字。』(启示录 21:14) 雅各的名字是大有荣耀的在其中，这也说明了什么时候会死，是神在安排时间，神对于死的看法是和世人很不相同。        

    旧约中有一个这样的例子，在约西亚做了许多顺服神的好事后 (参列王纪下 22章)，耶和华也曾这样告诉过他，『我必使你平平安安地归到坟墓，到你列祖那里；…』(列王纪下 22:20) 但最后是，『约西亚年间，埃及王法老尼哥上到幼发拉底河攻击亚述王，约西亚王去抵挡他。埃及王遇见约西亚在米吉多，就杀了他。』(列王纪下 23:29) 这不是平平安安的死，难道是耶和华的允许是假的吗？不是的！我们来看看约西亚最后是如何的在做，『约西亚却不肯转去离开他(埃及王尼哥)，改装要与他打仗，不听从神借尼哥之口所说的话，便来到米吉多平原争战。』(历代志下 35:22) 尼哥本来要的争战和他一点关系也没有，神也警告过他，他仍要强出头，神用的是回授策略，如经文所说，『义人若转离义行而作罪孽死亡，他是因所作的罪孽死亡。再者，恶人若回头离开所行的恶，行正直与合理的事，他必将性命救活了。』(以西结书 18:26-27) 祂的确是给了约西亚一个机会而他选择了不要，这能怪神吗？     

    新约也是一样，『他愿意万人得救，明白真道。』(提摩太前书 2:4) 救恩的计划是给了人一个机会，而人有自由意志，可以选择信或不信！实在是不要硬著心，违背神的意愿而自找死路。结论是除非三位一体的神愿意告诉我们，祂安排的时间是我们无法知道的，因『隐秘的事是属耶和华我们神的，惟有明显的事是永远属我们和我们子孙的，…』(申命记 29:29)

4. 要彰显出来祂所赐的合一          

    『「我不但为这些人祈求，也为那些因他们的话信我的人祈求，使他们都合而为一。正如你父在我里面，我在你里面，使他们也在我们里面，叫世人可以信你差了我来。你所赐给我的荣耀，我已赐给他们，使他们合而为一，像我们合而为一。我在他们里面，你在我里面，使他们完完全全地合而为一，叫世人知道你差了我来，也知道你爱他们如同爱我一样。「父啊，我在哪里，愿你所赐给我的人也同我在那里，叫他们看见你所赐给我的荣耀。因为创立世界以前，你已经爱我了。「公义的父啊，世人未曾认识你，我却认识你，这些人也知道你差了我来。我已将你的名指示他们，还要指示他们，使你所爱我的爱在他们里面，我也在他们里面。」』(约翰福音 17:20-26)           

    这里明说了祂不只为使徒们祈求，那祈求也同样是为我们的，所以祂给我们一个机会得到救恩，但人有自由意志可以做自己的抉择。这里也提到祂已赐给我们祂的荣耀和合一，看到了祂先和父神合一，而我们才能在祂里面合一。是的，我们要能先相信祂以圣灵的方式在我们里面，就是说基督徒的身子就是圣灵，像经文所说，『岂不知你们的身子就是圣灵的殿吗？这圣灵是从神而来，住在你们里头的；并且你们不是自己的人，因为你们是重价买来的，所以要在你们的身子上荣耀神。』(哥林多前书 6:19-20) 我们要追求的是和耶稣合一，模成耶稣的形像 (参罗马书 8:29)，有耶稣的生命。但要注意一点是，别人不听你的话并不代表你没有生命。我们的生命不会超过耶稣的，想想耶稣道成肉身时有多少人听祂呢？我们要做的是要有一个能听的耳，能分辩，所以圣经常说，有耳可听的，就应当听！如在启示录中所提到的七个教会一样。    

    这里就有了一个常有的问题，既然圣灵内住在基督徒里面，是不是同时有邪灵在基督徒里面呢？依照圣经的说法，答案是会有的，为什么呢？在我们讨论这问题之前，我们必须指出这里的邪灵不是指鬼，鬼是指从外来而进入身体里的，所以有驱鬼的。这就是如经文所说，『他们来到海那边格拉森人的地方。耶稣一下船，就有一个被污鬼附著的人从坟茔里出来迎著他。』（马可福音 5:1-2)   我们看到耶稣那时是在驱鬼，『…因耶稣曾吩咐他说：「污鬼啊，从这人身上出来吧！」』(马可福音 5:8) 鬼是撒但的差役没错，这里的邪灵是指住在我们身上的撒但差役，不是从外来的。

    顺便一提的是圣经描述那被污鬼附著的人，『那人常住在坟茔里，没有人能捆住他，就是用铁链也不能。』(马可福音 5: 3) 即使如此，『他远远地看见耶稣，就跑过去拜他，』(马可福音 5: 6) 如果这人完全被污鬼所拥有，他是不会这样做的，所以我们可以看到这人仍有自由意志，可以做选择！这是新约中描述被污鬼附著最厉害的人，因此可见人是不会被污鬼完全所拥有的，难怪雅各会说，『…你们要顺服神。务要抵挡魔鬼，魔鬼就必离开你们逃跑了。』(雅各书 4:7)     

    我们就先看看罪是怎么来的，是因撒但引诱夏娃成功，而使亚当选择不顺服神而来，所以经文说，『这就如罪是从一人(亚当)入了世界，死又是从罪来的，于是死就临到众人，因为众人都犯了罪。』(罗马书 5:12) 这就说明了罪是由撒但而来。

    撒但是不能如神般无所不在的，所以当『耶和华问撒但说：「你从哪里来？」 撒但回答说：「我从地上走来走去，往返而来。」』(约伯记 1:7) 另方面撒但也不是没有差役，就如经文所说，『所以，他的差役若装作仁义的差役，也不算希奇。…』(哥林多后书 11:15)  既然撒但不可能内住在每个人身上，那么在众人里面的罪由邪灵而来，在老我里面。当我们信主后，圣灵内住在基督徒身上，但没有听说基督徒一信主就完全治死老我的，也就是说，有一段时间，基督徒会有著圣灵和邪灵同时存在著，所以经文会说，『故此，我所愿意的善，我反不做；我所不愿意的恶，我倒去做。若我去做所不愿意做的，就不是我做的，乃是住在我里头的罪做的。』(罗马书 7:19-20)       

    既然有一段时间，圣灵和邪灵会同时存在于一个基督徒的身上，而基督徒的标杆是要模成耶稣的无罪形像，完全的治死老我，也就是从有邪灵到没有邪灵的存在，我们就看看这逐渐的连续过程是如何发生的。换句话说，一个基督徒是要由不信主到信主的信中，然后『…是本于信，以至于信。…』（罗马书 1:17) 让信心逐渐长大，也就是慢慢的治死老我，我们就以某一项罪和其相关的邪灵来阐述其过程。        

    对那一项罪而言，其相关的邪灵只能是在我们身上或是离开我们。当这邪灵在我们身上时，我们会一犯再犯，也就是保罗所说的，『…因为立志为善由得我，只是行出来由不得我。』（罗马书 7:18) 但当我们趋向于主而一天天更压恶这项罪时，也就是俗称的圣灵在我们身上逐渐长大，那邪灵会在我们身上愈过愈不舒服，直到不能忍受而非出去不可为止。在那邪灵出去后，我们就脱离了那罪，就这样，一项一项的罪会在基督徒身上脱离，也就是相关的邪灵一个一个离开了，直到没有邪灵存在，完全的模成了耶稣的形像。这也就是一般所讲的，在我们身上有新生命和老生命的同时存在，这老生命，也就是老我，是在撒但的权势底下的，治死老我就是让我们里面的邪灵从我们身上离开，而老我是慢慢死的，是因为不是所有邪灵一次离开。在这里，我们又看见了神借著圣经告诉我们是一致的一个例子。        

    剩下的问题就是在生前有没完全治死老我的可能？有人说，基督徒身上是一直有著两个生命，直到我们肉身死了，这个叙述在逻辑上是不可能的！为什么呢？如果老我是定义为带著罪的那一部份，而老我在生前不可能全死的话，那一个人就不可能在生前完全模成无罪的耶稣，但圣经中就明言有生前模成耶稣形像的例子。以司提反为例，他是满有圣灵的人(参使徒行传 6:5)，当犹太人用石头打死他时，他说，『主啊，不要将这罪归于他们！』(参使徒行传 7:59-60) 这是和耶稣在十字架上说的基本相同，因祂说，『…父啊，赦免他们！因为他们所做的，他们不晓得。…』（路加福音 23:34) 可见司堤反是生前就已被模成耶稣形像的人，他也是第一个为主殉道的门徒，也是唯一主在天上站在神的右边欢迎的人。 (参使徒行传 7:55-56)           

    我们的灵如亚当般已经死了 (参创世记 2:16-17, 5:5)，当我们一信主，就有了从神来的无罪的新灵，像经文所说，『我也要赐给你们一个新心，将新灵放在你们里面。又从你们的肉体中除掉石心，赐给你们肉心。我必将我的灵放在你们里面，使你们顺从我的律例，谨守遵行我的典章。』(以西结书 36:26-27) 虽然圣经没有明说圣灵是住在新灵里面，但这是和罪无关的新灵，照神借著圣经告诉我们是一致的来看，圣灵只能住在新灵里面。至于新灵的具体位置在那里，没有人知道，因为圣经没有讲。          

    耶稣现在天上，就像祂说的，『…愿你所赐给我的人也同我在那里，叫他们看见你所赐给我的荣耀。…』(约翰福音 17:24) 当祂再来的时候，我们最后会和祂同在天上。很明显的，经文是在说，祂们在创立世界以前，是以爱联接在一起，『…因为神就是爱。』(约翰一书 4:8) 但父也绝对是公义的父，诗篇不是说得很清楚吗？『公义和公平，是你宝座的根基；慈爱和诚实，行在你前面。』(诗篇 89:14) 实在是不要只谈神的慈爱，而忘了神的公义！

(经文除了特别注明外，是基于和合本。)

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    首先，我們將交通神的榮耀，和耶穌基督的榮耀。第二，我們談到主的道的來源和祂為使徒們的祈求。第三，使徒們將見主從死裏復活，會將充滿著主所賜不能奪去的喜樂。最後看到祂為相信祂的人祈求，使他們在祂裏面合而為一，我們要做的是彰顯出來祂所賜的合一，也討論了一個相關的問題，就是按聖經的說法，有一段時間，聖靈和邪靈會同時存在於基督徒身上。

1. 榮耀的父神和耶穌基督

       『耶穌說了這話，就舉目望天說：「父啊，時候到了，願你榮耀你的兒子，使兒子也榮耀你。正如你曾賜給他權柄，管理凡有血氣的，叫他將永生賜給你所賜給他的人。認識你獨一的真神，並且認識你所差來的耶穌基督，這就是永生。我在地上已經榮耀你，你所託付我的事，我已成全了。父啊，現在求你使我同你享榮耀，就是未有世界以先，我同你所有的榮耀。』(約翰福音 17:1-5)

        關於榮耀，這和世人想得是多麼不同，我們看看耶穌復活後是怎麼說的？耶穌對他們(去以馬忤斯的二門徒)說：「無知的人哪，先知所說的一切話，你們的心信得太遲鈍了。基督這樣受害，又進入他的榮耀，豈不是應當的嗎？」』(路加福音 24:25-26) 這是指耶穌釘十字架而榮耀了父神，『他本有神的形像，不以自己與神同等為強奪的，反倒虛己，取了奴僕的形像，成為人的樣式。既有人的樣子，就自己卑微，存心順服，以至於死，且死在十字架上。』(腓立比書 2:6-8) 所以耶穌在道成肉身前本是與神同等的。再就這節經文來看，『父啊，現在求你使我同你享榮耀，就是未有世界以先，我同你所有的榮耀。』(約翰福音 17:5) 這不是很明顯的說，在沒有時間之前，祂是與父神同尊同榮的。

     因為祂是道成肉身的完全的人，所以會這樣說，『「我現在心裏憂愁，我說甚麼才好呢？父啊，救我脫離這時候，但我原是為這時候來的。父啊，願你榮耀你的名。」 當時就有聲音從天上來說：「我已經榮耀了我的名，還要再榮耀。」』(約翰福音 12:27-28) 如果祂在道成肉身的這段期間是用祂的神性，怎麼會心裏憂愁？是的，祂知道自己為這時候而來，因此是心甘情願的如此受死，榮耀了父的名。祂一生都順服神，如經文所說，『…父怎樣吩咐我，我就怎樣行。…』(約翰福音 14:31) 祂在上十字架前的客西馬尼園，俯伏在地禱告時不就是這麼說嗎？『我父啊，倘若可行，求你叫這杯離開我；然而，不要照我的意思，只要照你的意思。』(馬太福音 26:39)

     我們要強調，在祂道成肉身這段時間中，祂是人子，『並且因為他是人子，就賜給他行審判的權柄。』(約翰福音 5:27) 『所以神將他升為至高，又賜給他那超乎萬名之上的名，叫一切在天上的、地上的和地底下的，因耶穌的名無不屈膝，無不口稱耶穌基督為主，使榮耀歸與父神。』(腓立比書 2:9-11) 神有絕對的主權，祂是這樣定規了，當我們稱耶穌基督為主時，就是榮耀歸與父神了！聖經是神所默示的，我們實在是不要強解聖經，照著聖經的教導去遵行。

        耶穌也不是沒有在人間有父賜給祂的榮耀，我們看祂做的事情就知道這點，祂自己說，『就是瞎子看見，瘸子行走，長大痲瘋的潔淨，聾子聽見，死人復活，窮人有福音傳給他們。』(馬太福音 11:4-5) 不只是如此，祂也行了各樣的神蹟如如五餅二魚般，有些事甚至明說了是為叫祂得榮耀而有的。譬如當耶穌使拉撒路從死透中復活的時候之前，曾這樣說過，『…這病不至於死，乃是為神的榮耀，叫神的兒子因此得榮耀。』(約翰福音 11:4) 祂的生命不會因人間得到的榮耀而改變的，祂仍然是『我心裏柔和謙卑，…』(馬太福音 11:29) 通常一個人在世上得到這麼大的榮耀是很容易驕傲的，而祂沒有，是祂本有謙卑的生命，我們的標杆是要模成祂的形像 (參羅馬書 8:29)。

        接著就說到祂奉差遣在人間的任務是，『認識你獨一的真神，並且認識你所差來的耶穌基督，這就是永生。』(約翰福音 17:3) 我們分享過，在道成肉身的這段時間是有一個次序的，父差子，子不去，聖靈不來。祂並很清楚的說，『我在地上已經榮耀你，你所託付我的事，我已成全了。』(約翰福音 17:4) 祂也說明了祂的確在道成肉身這段時間是在虛己，因祂是三位一體的神中的一位，在創世以前是和神同尊同榮的。

2. 耶穌的道的來源和祂的祈求

       『你從世上賜給我的人，我已將你的名顯明與他們。他們本是你的，你將他們賜給我，他們也遵守了你的道。如今他們知道，凡你所賜給我的，都是從你那裏來的。因為你所賜給我的道，我已經賜給他們。他們也領受了，又確實知道，我是從你出來的，並且信你差了我來。我為他們祈求，不為世人祈求，卻為你所賜給我的人祈求，因他們本是你的。凡是我的都是你的，你的也是我的，並且我因他們得了榮耀。從今以後，我不在世上，他們卻在世上，我往你那裏去。聖父啊，求你因你所賜給我的名保守他們，叫他們合而為一，像我們一樣。我與他們同在的時候，因你所賜給我的名保守了他們，我也護衞了他們；其中除了那滅亡之子，沒有一個滅亡的，好叫經上的話得應驗。』(約翰福音 17:6-12)

        祂明顯的說祂已經完成了任務，那些賜給祂的屬神的人，一個都沒有失落，並遵行了祂的話，就是賜給他們的神的道，且確實知道和相信耶穌基督是奉神差遣而來。我們在這裏要強調知道和相信是不同的兩件事，經文說，『可見信道是從聽道來的，聽道是從基督的話來的。』(羅馬書 10:17) 可以光是聽道而知道但不遵行，遵行道的人才是真正相信的人。

     在這裏祂是為他們祈求，但不是要他們離開世上，而是要保守他們，在地上作祂的見證，就如經文所說，『但聖靈降臨在你們身上，你們就必得着能力；並要在耶路撒冷、猶太全地和撒馬利亞，直到地極，作我的見證。』(使徒行傳 1:8) 他們也的確是雖知會因此而擺上生命，卻雖仍一路往前。以彼得為例，耶穌是已告訴了他，『我實實在在地告訴你：你年少的時候，自己束上帶子，隨意往來；但年老的時候，你要伸出手來，別人要把你束上，帶你到不願意去的地方。』(約翰福音 21:18) 『耶穌說這話，是指着彼得要怎樣死，榮耀神。…』(約翰福音 21:19) 

        這是在最後的晚餐中，當賣主的猶大出去後(參約翰福音 13:30)，在分離的禱告中對十一個使徒說的一些話，我們就看看他們是如何被選出的？『那時，耶穌出去，上山禱告，整夜禱告神。到了天亮，叫他的門徒來，就從他們中間挑選十二個人，稱他們為使徒。』(路加福音 6:12-13) 這裏面是包括了賣主的猶大，祂明知猶大會賣祂，作為一個人，只能整夜去禱告確定如此，最後是順服了神，所以會說，『我與他們同在的時候，因你所賜給我的名保守了他們，我也護衞了他們；其中除了那滅亡之子，沒有一個滅亡的，好叫經上的話得應驗。』(約翰福音 17:12)

        當經上的話應驗時，救恩的計劃就開始成就了，所以祂在十字架會『…說：「成了！」便低下頭，將靈(魂, 原文沒這字)交付神了。』(約翰福音 19:30) 第三日的復活，就這麼完成了救恩，『耶穌被交給人，是為我們的過犯；復活，是為叫我們稱義。』(羅馬書 4:25) 『所以我們藉着洗禮歸入死，和他一同埋葬，原是叫我們一舉一動有新生的樣式，像基督藉着父的榮耀從死裏復活一樣。我們若在他死的形狀上與他聯合，也要在他復活的形狀上與他聯合。』(羅馬書 6:4-5)

     這就是洗禮的意義，我們分享過在一般的情況下，是要如大使命所說受洗的，『所以你們要去，使一切外國人都做門徒，給他們施洗，歸於父子聖靈的名。』(馬太福音 28:19, 呂振中譯本) 耶穌也作了我們的榜樣，『耶穌回答說：「你暫且許我，因為我們理當這樣盡諸般的義。」於是(施洗)約翰許了他。耶穌受了洗，隨即從水裏上來。…』(馬太福音 3:15-16) 但也有特例，和耶穌同釘十字架的一位強盜是真信了，但他那裏有機會受洗，『耶穌對他說：「我實在告訴你：今日你要同我在樂園裏了。」』(路加福音 23:43) 他是死後到了樂園，但聖經從來都沒有像有些人所相信的，每個基督徒都是死後到樂園去等候白色大寶座的審判。

3. 喜樂、神真理的道、和奉差遣

       『現在我往你那裏去，我還在世上說這話，是叫他們心裏充滿我的喜樂。我已將你的道賜給他們。世界又恨他們，因為他們不屬世界，正如我不屬世界一樣。我不求你叫他們離開世界，只求你保守他們脫離那惡者。他們不屬世界，正如我不屬世界一樣。求你用真理使他們成聖，你的道就是真理。你怎樣差我到世上，我也照樣差他們到世上。我為他們的緣故，自己分別為聖，叫他們也因真理成聖。』(約翰福音 17:13-19)

        現在是耶穌告訴他們即將發生的事情，所以他們知道關於祂說的預言都是真的，因而心中充滿了喜樂，且『…這喜樂也沒有人能奪去。』(約翰福音 16:22) 祂因世人恨祂而上十字架，當然也恨那跟隨祂而不屬世界的人。祂的時候到了即將離去，祂差遣了他們，知道他們必須仍在世上作祂的見証，因此只祈求神在他們時間未到的時候，保守他們脫離那惡者撒但。

        我們要強調時間到了的這點，因為世人通常以為長壽就意謂著有神的保守，不是這樣的！新約就很明顯的告訴我們，使徒雅各相當年輕就過世了，經文說，『那時，希律王下手苦害教會中幾個人，用刀殺了約翰的哥哥雅各。』(使徒行傳 12:1-2)  但『在耶和華眼中，看聖民之死極為寶貴。』(詩篇 116:15) 難道是耶穌的祈求沒有成就嗎？不是的，是雅各的時間到了。為什麼這樣說呢？在啓示錄 21:2，我們看見聖城新耶路撒冷由神那裏從天而降，『城牆有十二根基，根基上有羔羊十二使徒的名字。』(啓示錄 21:14) 雅各的名字是大有榮耀的在其中，這也說明了什麼時候會死，是神在安排時間，神對於死的看法是和世人很不相同。

        舊約中有一個這樣的例子，在約西亞做了許多順服神的好事後 (參列王紀下 22章)，耶和華也曾這樣告訴過他，『我必使你平平安安地歸到墳墓，到你列祖那裏；…』(列王紀下 22:20) 但最後是，『約西亞年間，埃及王法老尼哥上到幼發拉底河攻擊亞述王，約西亞王去抵擋他。埃及王遇見約西亞在米吉多，就殺了他。』(列王紀下 23:29) 這不是平平安安的死，難道是耶和華的允許是假的嗎？不是的！我們來看看約西亞最後是如何的在做，『約西亞卻不肯轉去離開他(埃及王尼哥)，改裝要與他打仗，不聽從神藉尼哥之口所說的話，便來到米吉多平原爭戰。』(歷代志下 35:22) 尼哥本來要的爭戰和他一點關係也沒有，神也警告過他，他仍要強出頭，神用的是回授策略，如經文所說，『義人若轉離義行而作罪孽死亡，他是因所作的罪孽死亡。再者，惡人若回頭離開所行的惡，行正直與合理的事，他必將性命救活了。』(以西結書 18:26-27) 祂的確是給了約西亞一個機會而他選擇了不要，這能怪神嗎？

     新約也是一樣，『他願意萬人得救，明白真道。』(提摩太前書 2:4) 救恩的計劃是給了人一個機會，而人有自由意志，可以選擇信或不信！實在是不要硬著心，違背神的意願而自找死路。結論是除非三位一體的神願意告訴我們，祂安排的時間是我們無法知道的，因『隱秘的事是屬耶和華我們神的，惟有明顯的事是永遠屬我們和我們子孫的，…』(申命記 29:29)

4. 要彰顯出來祂所賜的合一

          『「我不但為這些人祈求，也為那些因他們的話信我的人祈求，使他們都合而為一。正如你父在我裏面，我在你裏面，使他們也在我們裏面，叫世人可以信你差了我來。你所賜給我的榮耀，我已賜給他們，使他們合而為一，像我們合而為一。我在他們裏面，你在我裏面，使他們完完全全地合而為一，叫世人知道你差了我來，也知道你愛他們如同愛我一樣。「父啊，我在哪裏，願你所賜給我的人也同我在那裏，叫他們看見你所賜給我的榮耀。因為創立世界以前，你已經愛我了。「公義的父啊，世人未曾認識你，我卻認識你，這些人也知道你差了我來。我已將你的名指示他們，還要指示他們，使你所愛我的愛在他們裏面，我也在他們裏面。」』(約翰福音 17:20-26)

           這裏明說了祂不只為使徒們祈求，那祈求也同樣是為我們的，所以祂給我們一個機會得到救恩，但人有自由意志可以做自己的抉擇。這裏也提到祂已賜給我們祂的榮耀和合一，看到了祂先和父神合一，而我們才能在祂裏面合一。是的，我們要能先相信祂以聖靈的方式在我們裏面，就是說基督徒的身子就是聖靈，像經文所說，『豈不知你們的身子就是聖靈的殿嗎？這聖靈是從神而來，住在你們裏頭的；並且你們不是自己的人，因為你們是重價買來的，所以要在你們的身子上榮耀神。』(哥林多前書 6:19-20) 我們要追求的是和耶穌合一，模成耶穌的形像 (參羅馬書 8:29)，有耶穌的生命。但要注意一點是，別人不聽你的話並不代表你沒有生命。我們的生命不會超過耶穌的，想想耶穌道成肉身時有多少人聽祂呢？我們要做的是要有一個能聽的耳，能分辨，所以聖經常說，有耳可聽的，就應當聽！如在啓示錄中所提到的七個教會一樣。

    這裏就有了一個常有的問題，既然聖靈內住在基督徒裏面，是不是同時有邪靈在基督徒裏面呢？依照聖經的說法，答案是會有的，為什麼呢？在我們討論這問題之前，我們必須指出這裏的邪靈不是指鬼，鬼是指從外來而進入身體裏的，所以有驅鬼的。這就是如經文所說，『他們來到海那邊格拉森人的地方。耶穌一下船，就有一個被污鬼附着的人從墳塋裏出來迎着他。』（馬可福音 5:1-2)  我們看到耶穌那時是在驅鬼，『…因耶穌曾吩咐他說：「污鬼啊，從這人身上出來吧！」』（馬可福音 5:8) 鬼是撒但的差役沒錯，這裏的邪靈是指住在我們身上的撒但差役，不是從外來的。順便一提的是聖經描述那被污鬼附着的人，『那人常住在墳塋裏，沒有人能捆住他，就是用鐵鏈也不能。』(馬可福音 5: 3) 即使如此，『他遠遠地看見耶穌，就跑過去拜他，』(馬可福音 5: 6) 如果這人完全被汚鬼所擁有，他是不會這樣做的，所以我們可以看到這人仍有自由意志，可以做選擇！這是新約中描述被汚鬼附著最厲害的人，因此可見人是不會被汚鬼完全所擁有的，難怪雅各會說，『…你們要順服神。務要抵擋魔鬼，魔鬼就必離開你們逃跑了。』(雅各書 4:7)

     我們就先看看罪是怎麼來的，是因撒但引誘夏娃成功，而使亞當選擇不順服神而來，所以經文說，『這就如罪是從一人(亞當)入了世界，死又是從罪來的，於是死就臨到眾人，因為眾人都犯了罪。』(羅馬書 5:12) 這就說明了罪是由撒但而來。

        撒但是不能如神般無所不在的，所以當『耶和華問撒但說：「你從哪裏來？」 撒但回答說：「我從地上走來走去，往返而來。」』(約伯記 1:7) 另方面撒但也不是沒有差役，就如經文所說，『所以，他的差役若裝作仁義的差役，也不算希奇。…』(哥林多後書 11:15)  既然撒但不可能內住在每個人身上，那麼在眾人裏面的罪由邪靈而來，在老我裏面。當我們信主後，聖靈內住在基督徒身上，但沒有聽說基督徒一信主就完全治死老我的，也就是說，有一段時間，基督徒會有著聖靈和邪靈同時存在著，所以經文會說，『故此，我所願意的善，我反不做；我所不願意的惡，我倒去做。若我去做所不願意做的，就不是我做的，乃是住在我裏頭的罪做的。』(羅馬書 7:19-20)

       既然有一段時間，聖靈和邪靈會同時存在於一個基督徒的身上，而基督徒的標杆是要模成耶穌的無罪形像，完全的治死老我，也就是從有邪靈到沒有邪靈的存在，我們就看看這逐漸的連續過程是如何發生的。換句話說，一個基督徒是要由不信主到信主的信中，然後『…是本於信，以至於信。…』（羅馬書 1:17) 讓信心逐漸長大，也就是慢慢的治死老我，我們就以某一項罪和其相關的邪靈來闡述其過程。

        對那一項罪而言，其相關的邪靈只能是在我們身上或是離開我們。當這邪靈在我們身上時，我們會一犯再犯，也就是保羅所說的，『…因為立志為善由得我，只是行出來由不得我。』（羅馬書 7:18) 但當我們趨向於主而一天天更壓惡這項罪時，也就是俗稱的聖靈在我們身上逐漸長大，那邪靈會在我們身上愈過愈不舒服，直到不能忍受而非出去不可為止。在那邪靈出去後，我們就脱離了那罪，就這樣，一項一項的罪會在基督徒身上脱離，也就是相關的邪靈一個一個離開了，直到沒有邪靈存在，完全的模成了耶穌的形像。這也就是一般所講的，在我們身上有新生命和老生命的同時存在，這老生命，也就是老我，是在撒但的權勢底下的，治死老我就是讓我們裏面的邪靈從我們身上離開，而老我是慢慢死的，是因為不是所有邪靈一次離開。在這裏，我們又看見了神藉著聖經告訴我們是一致的一個例子。

        剩下的問題就是在生前有沒完全治死老我的可能？有人說，基督徒身上是一直有著兩個生命，直到我們肉身死了，這個敍述在邏輯上是不可能的！為什麼呢？如果老我是定義為帶著罪的那一部份，而老我在生前不可能全死的話，那一個人就不可能在生前完全模成無罪的耶稣，但聖經中就明言有生前模成耶穌形像的例子。以司提反為例，他是滿有聖靈的人(參使徒行傳 6:5)，當猶太人用石頭打死他時，他說，『主啊，不要將這罪歸於他們！』(參使徒行傳 7:59-60) 這是和耶穌在十字架上說的基本相同，因祂說，『…父啊，赦免他們！因為他們所做的，他們不曉得。…』（路加福音 23:34) 可見司堤反是生前就已被模成耶穌形像的人，他也是第一個為主殉道的門徒，也是唯一主在天上站在神的右邊歡迎的人。 (參使徒行傳 7:55-56)

           我們的靈如亞當般已經死了 (參創世記 2:16-17, 5:5)，當我們一信主，就有了從神來的無罪的新靈，像經文所說，『我也要賜給你們一個新心，將新靈放在你們裏面。又從你們的肉體中除掉石心，賜給你們肉心。我必將我的靈放在你們裏面，使你們順從我的律例，謹守遵行我的典章。』(以西結書 36:26-27) 雖然聖經沒有明說聖靈是住在新靈裏面，但這是和罪無關的新靈，照神藉著聖經告訴我們是一致的來看，聖靈只能住在新靈裏面。至於新靈的具體位置在那裏，沒有人知道，因為聖經沒有講。

          耶穌現在天上，就像祂說的，『…願你所賜給我的人也同我在那裏，叫他們看見你所賜給我的榮耀。…』(約翰福音 17:24) 當祂再來的時候，我們最後會和祂同在天上。很明顯的，經文是在說，祂們在創立世界以前，是以愛聯接在一起，『…因為神就是愛。』(約翰一書 4:8) 但父也絕對是公義的父，詩篇不是說得很清楚嗎？『公義和公平，是你寶座的根基；慈愛和誠實，行在你前面。』(詩篇 89:14) 實在是不要只談神的慈愛，而忘了神的公義！

(經文除了特別註明外，是基於和合本。)

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First, we will communicate the glory of God and the glory of Jesus Christ.  Second, we talked about the source of the Lord’s words and His prayers for apostles.  Third, the apostles will see the Lord resurrected from the dead and will be filled with the joy that the Lord has given and cannot be taken away.  Finally, we saw that He prayed for those who believe in Him, so that they may be united in Him. What we need to do is to demonstrate the unity He has given. We also discussed a related issue, which is that according to the Bible, there is a time period when the Holy Spirit and evil spirits will exist in Christians at the same time.

1. Glorious God the Father and Jesus Christ

“Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, “Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You, even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life. This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”(John 17:1-5) 

Regarding glory, this is so different from what the world thinks. Let’s see what Jesus said after his resurrection.  Jesus said to them (the two disciples on the way to Emmaus), “…O foolish men and slow of heart to believe in all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary for the Christ to suffer these things and to enter into His glory?”(Luke 24:25-26) This refers to Jesus glorifying God the Father through his crucifixion, “who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.”(Philippians 2:6-8) So Jesus was equal with God before His incarnation.  Let us look at this verse then, “Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”(John 17:5) Is it obvious that before time He was equal in dignity and honor with God the Father?

Because He was a complete man during His incarnation, He said, ““Now My soul has become troubled; and what shall I say, ‘Father, save Me from this hour’? But for this purpose I came to this hour. Father, glorify Your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.””(John 12:27-28). If He used His divinity during His incarnation, how could He be troubled?  Yes, He knew He had come for this time, and therefore He willingly died in this way, glorifying the Father’s name.  He obeyed God all His life, as the Scripture says, “…I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. …”(John 14:31) Wasn’t that what He said when He fell on His face in prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane before He was crucified. “…My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”(Matthew 26:39)

We must emphasize that during the time of His incarnation, He was the Son of Man,  “and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, …”(John 5:27) “For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.”(Philippians 2:9-11) God is sovereign. It is determined that when we call Jesus Christ Lord, the glory goes to God the Father!  The Bible is inspired by God. We should not force our interpretation of the Bible but should follow its teachings.

Jesus also had the glory given to Him by the Father when He was on earth. We can see this by looking at what He did. He Himself said, “Jesus answered and said to them, “Go and report to John what you hear and see: the blind receive sight and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.”(Matthew 11:4-5) Not only that, He also performed various miracles such as the five loaves and two fishes, and some of these things were even explicitly stated to be for His glory.  For example, before Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, He said, “…This sickness is not to end in death, but for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by it.”(John 11:4) His life would not change because of the glory He received in the world. He was still “…gentle and humble in heart, …”(Matthew 11:29) Usually it is easy for a person to become proud when he receives such great glory in the world, but He was not like that. It was because His life is always life. Our goal is to be conformed to His image (see Romans 8:29). 

Then he talked about His mission when He was sent to the world: “This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.”(John 17:3) We have shared that during the period of His incarnation there is a sequence: the Father sends the Son, and the Holy Spirit does not come until the Son goes away.  He also said very clearly, “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.”(John 17:4) He also explained that He was indeed emptying Himself during His incarnation, because He is one of the Trinity and was equal in honor and glory with God before the creation of the world.

2. The source of Jesus’ words and His prayers

“I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave Me out of the world; they were Yours and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have come to know that everything You have given Me is from You; for the words which You gave Me I have given to them; and they received them and truly understood that I came forth from You, and they believed that You sent Me. I ask on their behalf; I do not ask on behalf of the world, but of those whom You have given Me; for they are Yours; and all things that are Mine are Yours, and Yours are Mine; and I have been glorified in them. I am no longer in the world; and yet they themselves are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep them in Your name, the name which You have given Me, that they may be one even as We are. While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.”(John 17:6-12)

He clearly said that He had completed the mission, and none of the people of God who were given to Him were lost, and they kept His Word, the Word of God that was given to them, and truly knew and believed that Jesus Christ was sent by God.  Here we need to emphasize that knowing and believing are two different things. The scripture says, “So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.”(Romans 10:17) One can know the word by hearing it but not obey it. Only those who obey the word are the true believers.

Here He prays for them, but not for them to leave the world. Instead, He wants to keep them and let them be His witnesses on earth, just as the scripture says, “but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”(Acts 1:8) They knew that this would cost them their lives, but they still kept moving forward.  Take Peter for example. Jesus had told him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go.”(John 21:18)

“Now this He said, signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. …”(John 21:19)

These are some of the words spoken to the eleven apostles during the separation prayer at the Last Supper, after Judas, the betrayer, went out (see John 13:30). Let us see how they were chosen. “It was at this time that He went off to the mountain to pray, and He spent the whole night in prayer to God. And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles.”(Luke 6:12-13) This includes Judas, the betrayer. He knew that Judas would betray Him, and as a human being, He could only pray all night to make sure it would happen and it was God’s will. In the end, he obeyed God and said, “While I was with them, I was keeping them in Your name which You have given Me; and I guarded them and not one of them perished but the son of perdition, so that the Scripture would be fulfilled.”(John 17:12)

When the words of the Scripture are fulfilled, the plan of salvation begins to be accomplished, so on the cross “…He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.”(John 19:30) The resurrection on the third day completed salvation. “He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.”(Romans 4:25) “Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection.”(Romans 6:4-5)5

This is the meaning of baptism. We have shared that under normal circumstances, we should be baptized as stated in the Great Commission, “having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them — to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”(Matthew 28:19, YLT) Jesus also set an example for us, “But Jesus answering said to him (John the Baptist), “Permit it at this time; for in this way it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he permitted Him. After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; …”(Matthew 3:15-16) But there are exceptions. The criminal who was crucified with Jesus did believe, but he did not have the opportunity to be baptized. “And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.””(Luke 23:43) The criminal went to Paradise after his death, but the Bible never says, as some people believe, that every Christian goes to Paradise after death to await the judgment of the great white throne.

3. Joy, God’s Word of truth, and being sent

“But now I come to You; and these things I speak in the world so that they may have My joy made full in themselves. I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but to keep them from the evil one. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth.”(John 17:13-19) 

Now it was Jesus who told them what was about to happen, so they knew that all the prophecies about Him were true, and their hearts were filled with joy, “…and no one will take your joy away from you.”(John 16:22) He went to the cross because the world hated Him, and of course Jews also hated those who followed Him and thus did not belong to the world.  When His time had come and He was about to leave, He sent them, knowing that they must remain in the world as witnesses for Him, and therefore He only prayed that God would keep them from the evil one, Satan, until their time came.

We need to emphasize the point that the time has come, because people in the world usually think that longevity means God’s protection, but this is not the case!  The New Testament clearly tells us that the apostle James died at a relatively young age. It says, “Now about that time Herod the king laid hands on some who belonged to the church in order to mistreat them. And he had James the brother of John put to death with a sword.”(Acts 12:1-2) But “Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His godly ones.”(Psalm 116:15) Did Jesus’ prayer go unanswered?  No, it was Jacob’s time.  Why do I say so?  In Revelation 21:2 we see the holy city, the New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, “And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.”(Revelation 21:14) Jacob’s name is very glorious in there. This also explains that it is God who arranges the time when we will die. God’s view on death is very different from that of the world.

There is such an example in the Old Testament. After Josiah did many good things to obey God (see 2 Kings 22), the Lord also told him, “…you will be gathered to your grave in peace, …”(2 Kings 22:20) But in the end, “In his days Pharaoh Neco king of Egypt went up to the king of Assyria to the river Euphrates. And King Josiah went to meet him, and when Pharaoh Neco saw him he killed him at Megiddo.”(2 Kings 23:29) It definitely was not a peaceful death, could it be that what Jehovah told him was false?  No!  Let’s see what Josiah did in the end, “However, Josiah would not turn away from him (Neco king of Egypt), but disguised himself in order to make war with him; nor did he listen to the words of Neco from the mouth of God, but came to make war on the plain of Megiddo.”(2 Chronicles 35:22) The battle that Necho originally wanted had nothing to do with him, and God had warned him, but he still wanted to stand out. God used a feedback strategy, as the scripture says, “When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and dies because of it, for his iniquity which he has committed he will die. Again, when a wicked man turns away from his wickedness which he has committed and practices justice and righteousness, he will save his life.”(Ezekiel 18:26-27) Jehovah did give Josiah a chance and he chose not to take it. Can God be blamed for this?

The same is true in the New Testament, “…God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”(1 Timothy 2:3-4) The plan of salvation gives people a chance, and people have free will and can choose to believe or not!  It is really important not to harden your heart and go against God’s will and seek your own death.  The conclusion is that unless the Triune God is willing to tell us, we cannot know the timing of His arrangement, because “The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, …”(Deuteronomy 29:29)

4. To demonstrate the unity He has given us

“I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one; I in them and You in Me, that they may be perfected in unity, so that the world may know that You sent Me, and loved them, even as You have loved Me. Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. “O righteous Father, although the world has not known You, yet I have known You; and these have known that You sent Me; and I have made Your name known to them, and will make it known, so that the love with which You loved Me may be in them, and I in them.”(John 17:20-26)

It clearly states here that He not only prayed for the apostles, but also for us, so He gave us a chance to be saved, but people have free will and can make their own choices.  It also mentions here that He has given us His glory and unity, seeing that He was first united with God the Father, and then we can be united in Him.  Yes, we must first believe that He is in us in the form of the Holy Spirit, which means that the body of a Christian is the temple of the Holy Spirit, as the scripture says, “Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.”(1 Corinthians 6:19-20) What we should pursue is to be one with Jesus, to be conformed to the image of Jesus (see Romans 8:29), and to have the life of Jesus.  But one thing to note is that just because others don’t listen to you doesn’t mean you have no life.  Our lives will not exceed Jesus’. Think about how many people listened to Jesus when He became flesh?  What we need to do is to have an ear that can hear and discern. That is why the Bible often says, “He who has an ear, let him hear!”  Like the seven churches mentioned in the Book of Revelation.

This brings up a common question: since the Holy Spirit dwells in Christians, are there also evil spirits in Christians at the same time?  According to the Bible, the answer is yes. Why?  Before we discuss this issue, we must point out that the evil spirits here do not refer to ghosts the unclean spirits. Ghosts are those that come from outside and enter the body, and there are ways to exorcise ghosts.  This is what the scripture says, “They came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes. When He got out of the boat, immediately a man from the tombs with an unclean spirit met Him.”(Mark 5:1-2) We see that Jesus was casting out demons at that time, “For He had been saying to him, “Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!””(Mark 5:8) It is true that demons are messengers of Satan. The evil spirits here refer to the messengers of Satan who live in us, not those from outside.  By the way, the Bible describes the man who was possessed by an unclean spirit as “…he had his dwelling among the tombs. And no one was able to bind him anymore, even with a chain.”(Mark 5:3) Even so, “Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him.”(Mark 5:6) If this man was completely possessed by an evil spirit, he would not have done this, so we can see that this man still had free will and could make choices!  This is the person who is most severely demon-possessed as described in the New Testament. Therefore, it is clear that humans cannot be completely possessed by demons. No wonder James said, “Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.”(James 4:7)

Let’s first look at how sin came about. It was because Satan successfully tempted Eve, and Adam chose to disobey God. Therefore, the scripture says, “…just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.”(Romans 5:12) This shows that sin comes from Satan. 

Satan cannot be omnipresent like God, so when “The LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the LORD and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.””(Job 1:7) On the other hand, Satan is not without servants, as the scripture says, “Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, …”(2 Corinthians 11:15) Since Satan cannot dwell in everyone, the sin in everyone comes from evil spirits in the old self.  After we believe in the Lord, the Holy Spirit dwells in Christians, but I have never heard that Christians can completely put to death the old self as soon as they believe in the Lord. That is to say, for a period of time, Christians will have the Holy Spirit and evil spirits coexisting with them. Therefore, the scripture says, “For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want. But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.”(Romans 7:19-20) 

Since there is a period of time when the Holy Spirit and evil spirits exist in a Christian at the same time, and the goal for Christians is to be conformed to the sinless image of Jesus and completely put to death the old self, that is, from the presence of evil spirits to the absence of evil spirits, let us see how this gradual and continuous process occurs.  In other words, a Christian must go from being a disbeliever to believing in the Lord, and then “…from faith to faith; …”(Romans 1:17) Let your faith grow gradually, that is, slowly put your old self to death. We will use a certain sin and its related evil spirit to illustrate the process.

For that sin, the associated evil spirit can only be in us or leave us.  When this evil spirit is in us, we will commit the same sin again and again, which is what Paul said, “…for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.”(Romans 7:18) But when we draw toward the Lord and suppress this sin more and more day by day, which is commonly known as the Holy Spirit gradually growing in us, the evil spirit will become more and more uncomfortable in us until it can no longer bear it and has to leave.  After the evil spirit leaves, we are freed from that sin. In this way, one sin after another will be freed from the Christian, that is, the related evil spirits will leave one by one, until there are no evil spirits left and we are completely conformed to the image of Jesus. 

This is what is generally said, that in us there is a new life and an old life coexisting. This old life, that is, the old self, is under the power of Satan. To put the old self to death is to let the evil spirits within us leave us, and the old self dies slowly because not all evil spirits leave at once.  Here we see another example of God being consistent in what He tells us through the Bible.

The remaining question is whether it is possible to completely put to death about the old self before I die?  Some people say that Christians always have a new life and the life from old self dies until our physical body dies. This statement is logically impossible!  Why?  If the old self is defined as the part that carries sin, and the old self cannot die completely during one’s lifetime, then it is impossible for a person to be completely conformed to the sinless Jesus during his lifetime. However, the Bible clearly states that there are examples of people being conformed to the image of Jesus during their lifetime.  Take Stephen for example. He was a man full of the Holy Spirit (see Acts 6:5). When the Jews stoned him to death, he said, “…Lord, do not hold this sin against them! …”(See Acts 7:59-60) This is essentially the same thing as what Jesus said on the cross, “…Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing. …”(Luke 23:34) It can be seen that Stephan was conformed to the image of Jesus before his death. He was also the first disciple to be martyred for the Lord and the only one whom the Lord welcomed by standing at the right hand of God in heaven.  (See Acts 7:55-56)

Our spirit is dead like Adam (see Genesis 2:16-17, 5:5). When we believe in the Lord, we have a new sinless spirit from God, as the scripture says, “Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. I will put My Spirit within you and cause you to walk in My statutes, and you will be careful to observe My ordinances.”(Ezekiel 36:26-27) Although the Bible does not explicitly say that the Holy Spirit dwells in the new spirit, this is a new spirit that has nothing to do with sin. According to what God tells us through the Bible is consistent, the Holy Spirit can only dwell in the new spirit.  As for the exact location of the new spirit, no one knows because the Bible does not say.

Jesus is in heaven now. Just as He said, “Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, …”(John 17:24) When He comes again, we will finally be with Him in Heaven.  Clearly the scripture is saying that they were united in love before the foundation of the world, “…for God is love.”(1 John 4:8) But the Father is also absolutely a righteous Father. Doesn’t the Psalm make this very clear? “Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; Lovingkindness and truth go before You.”(Psalm 89:14) We should not only talk about God’s love but also forget not God’s righteousness!

(Verses refer to those in NASB95 unless otherwise specified.)

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    首先，我们看到主道成肉身在地上生活时，曾告诉门徒，他将离开他们，但保惠师会来，并讨论「想起」耶稣的话这事。第二，保惠师就是真理的圣灵，祂来将带领我们进入一切的真理，并要荣耀耶稣。第三，主并告诉门徒，祂必须受死，并且从死里复活，那时门徒将从忧伤转为喜乐。最后说到是，到那日，我们可因主的名向父求，并且得著。主更应许将祂的平安留给我们，并强调祂已得胜了世界。

1. 祂去才能有保惠师降临的应许       

    『我已将这些事告诉你们，使你们不至于跌倒。人要把你们赶出会堂，并且时候将到，凡杀你们的，就以为是事奉神。他们这样行，是因未曾认识父，也未曾认识我。我将这事告诉你们，是叫你们到了时候，可以想起我对你们说过了。我起先没有将这事告诉你们，因为我与你们同在。「现今我往差我来的父那里去，你们中间并没有人问我：『你往哪里去？』只因我将这事告诉你们，你们就满心忧愁。然而我将真情告诉你们，我去是与你们有益的。我若不去，保惠师就不到你们这里来；我若去，就差他来。他既来了，就要叫世人为罪、为义、为审判，自己责备自己。为罪，是因他们不信我；为义，是因我往父那里去，你们就不再见我；为审判，是因这世界的王受了审判。』(约翰福音 16:1-11)        

    关于「未曾认识我」，圣经明讲，『…犹太人已经商议定了，若有认耶稣是基督的，要把他赶出会堂。』(约翰福音 9:22) 且耶稣明说，『…人看见了我，就是看见了父，…』(约翰福音 14:9) 也就是『我与父原为一。』(约翰福音 10:30) 他们不认识耶稣，怎么会认识父呢？祂老早就预言了，犹太人会杀他们，因犹太人以为该如此事奉神。耶稣说，『我实实在在地告诉你们：仆人不能大于主人，差人也不能大于差他的人。』(约翰福音 13:16) 耶稣被钉十字架而死，犹太人怎么不会想到要杀他们呢？        

    祂其实说了很多预言，要时候到时，他们才能「想起」耶稣的话。譬如，彼得在哥尼流的事件说，『我就想起主的话说：『约翰是用水施洗，但你们要受圣灵的洗。』』(使徒行传 11:16) 当然还有很多「想起」的例子，就不多说了。简言之，就像我们过去讨论过的，基督徒是要回顾过去的，才能确实的知道，神究竟如何在他身上做工，要知道，『…隐秘的事是属耶和华我们神的，惟有明显的事是永远属我们和我们子孙的，…』(申命记 29:29) 很多事原是隐秘的，当那些事发生而变为明显时，我们才知道神当时的意念！所以，回顾过去不是去留念过去，而是要学习知道神的意念，这是非常重要的。真的不要硬著心，即使回顾过去，也会继续的跟随老我，看不到当时神的旨意！

    又如，耶稣明说了这预言，『…我若不去，保惠师(真理的圣灵)就不到你们这里来；我若去，就差他来。』(约翰福音 16:7) 那时圣灵还没有降下来，门徒当时真不知道祂在说什么，这时是预言，要时候到时，他们才能「想起」耶稣的话。祂的确是如经文所说做的，『…我起先没有将这事告诉你们，因为我与你们同在。』(约翰福音 16:4) 祂非常的清楚祂的时候到了，黑暗掌权了，祂也因此不能在地上与他们同在了。(参路加福音 22:53)        

    祂并不是在彰显祂的预言的能力，祂一开始就点明了祂的目的，『我已将这些事告诉你们，使你们不至于跌倒。』(约翰福音 16:1) 撒但是不会有预言的能力的，如果牠能预知，就不会介入耶稣的钉十字架，帮助救恩计划的完成。撒但最多是如天气预报般的预测，近时可能还会相当准，远程一定不准。只是我们不得不承认基本上牠的预测应比我们准，因为牠有的资讯是比我们多。        

    我们再看一个关于圣灵的预言，当耶稣差十二个门徒去时说：『你们要防备人，因为他们要把你们交给公会，也要在会堂里鞭打你们；并且你们要为我的缘故，被送到诸侯君王面前，对他们和外邦人作见证。你们被交的时候，不要思虑怎样说话，或说甚么话。到那时候，必赐给你们当说的话，因为不是你们自己说的，乃是你们父的灵(圣灵)在你们里头说的。』(马太福音 10:17-20) 路加福音也在说同样的事情，『人带你们到会堂，并官府和有权柄的人面前，不要思虑怎么分诉，说甚么话，因为正在那时候，圣灵要指教你们当说的话。』(路加福音 12:11-12) 这是预言，因是在那次差十二个去的时候并没有发生这样的事情。其实重点是在说，要他们不必担忧，因为在那种情况下，圣灵会告诉他们当说的话。        

    在这里很清楚的说到，当圣灵来时，人在三方面都会自己责备自己。在罪的方面，是在说，『…不信的人，罪已经定了，因为他不信神独生子的名。』(约翰福音 3:18) 我们必须要信。在义的方面，祂往父那里去是因为祂复活了，而『…复活，是为叫我们称义。』(罗马书 4:25) 在审判方面，祂道成肉身来到世界，完成救恩，审判了这世界的王撒但，让我们有了一个机会，得到永生。

2. 圣灵的工作       

    『我还有好些事要告诉你们，但你们现在担当不了。只等真理的圣灵来了，他要引导你们明白(进入: 原文)一切的真理，因为他不是凭自己说的，乃是把他所听见的都说出来，并要把将来的事告诉你们。他要荣耀我，因为他要将受于我的告诉你们。凡父所有的，都是我的，所以我说，他要将受于我的告诉你们。』(约翰福音 16:12-15)        

    祂没有办法全部告诉他们！即使祂直言了，『…人子要被交给祭司长和文士。他们要定他死罪，又交给外邦人，将他戏弄、鞭打、钉在十字架上，第三日他要复活。』(马太福音 20:18-19) 他们也不会相信！直到看到事情真正的发生。譬如，经文中说到他们的反应，『他们(去以马忤斯的两门徒)就立时起身，回耶路撒冷去，正遇见十一个使徒和他们的同人聚集在一处，说：「主果然(G3689)复活，已经现给西门看了。」』(路加福音 24:33-34) 这里用的是果然这字！很显然的，他们看到了所有事情发生后才信了。

    真理的圣灵就是保惠师(参约翰福音 14:16-17)，祂来是要带领我们进入一切真理。祂来的目的是要荣耀耶稣，把祂听耶稣讲的都告诉我们，包括一些他们那时不能担当的事，也有如启示录般的未来的事。那时的其中一件就是，『人带你们到会堂，并官府和有权柄的人面前，不要思虑怎么分诉，说甚么话，因为正在那时候，圣灵要指教你们当说的话。』(路加福音 12:11-12) 今日亦然。圣灵是三位一体的神中的一位，三位在创世之前本是同尊同荣的，但在道成肉身的期间，是有一个次序的，父差遣子(参约翰福音 16:5)，人子耶稣若不去，圣灵就不会降临(参约翰福音 16:7)。很显然的，耶稣在最后又提到了一次，『我与父原为一。』(约翰福音 10:30)

3. 死而复活要变忧愁为喜乐       

    『「等不多时，你们就不得见我；再等不多时，你们还要见我。」有几个门徒就彼此说：「他对我们说『等不多时，你们就不得见我；再等不多时，你们还要见我。』又说『因我往父那里去』，这是甚么意思呢？」门徒彼此说：「他说『等不多时』到底是甚么意思呢？我们不明白他所说的话。」耶稣看出他们要问他，就说：「我说『等不多时，你们就不得见我；再等不多时，你们还要见我』，你们为这话彼此相问吗？我实实在在地告诉你们：你们将要痛哭、哀号，世人倒要喜乐；你们将要忧愁，然而你们的忧愁要变为喜乐。妇人生产的时候就忧愁，因为她的时候到了；既生了孩子，就不再记念那苦楚，因为欢喜世上生了一个人。你们现在也是忧愁，但我要再见你们，你们的心就喜乐了，这喜乐也没有人能夺去。」』(约翰福音 16:16-22)        

    现在，祂明说了等不多时祂钉十字架的时间就到了，也就对门徒明说了自己会死而复活。即使祂告诉他们原因，『…『因我往父那里去』，…』(约翰福音 16:17) 他们也因不信而听不懂。是的，他们会因祂的死亡而痛哭、哀号，世人却会为救恩计划的成就而有一机会而喜乐。他们见到了耶稣的复活后，就会转变忧愁为喜乐，这就如妇人生产了一个人会转忧愁为欢喜，而门徒的喜乐是没有人能夺去的。

4. 得胜和平安          

    『「到那日，你们甚么也就不问我了。我实实在在地告诉你们：你们若向父求甚么，他必因我的名赐给你们。向来你们没有奉我的名求甚么，如今你们求就必得著，叫你们的喜乐(G5479)可以满足。「这些事，我是用比喻对你们说的；时候将到，我不再用比喻对你们说，乃要将父明明地告诉你们。到那日，你们要奉我的名祈求；我并不对你们说，我要为你们求父。父自己爱你们，因为你们已经爱我，又信我是从父出来的。我从父出来，到了世界；我又离开世界，往父那里去。」门徒说：「如今你是明说，并不用比喻了。现在我们晓得你凡事都知道，也不用人问你，因此我们信你是从神出来的。」耶稣说：「现在你们信吗？看哪，时候将到，且是已经到了，你们要分散，各归自己的地方去，留下我独自一人。其实我不是独自一人，因为有父与我同在。「我将这些事告诉你们，是要叫你们在我里面有平安(G1515)。在世上你们有苦难，但你们可以放心，我已经胜了世界。」』(约翰福音 16:23-33)         

    祂与父合一，所以不是只有祂独自一人。唯一的例外是为了在十架上完成救恩时，父神暂时的离开祂，如经文所记，『约在申初，耶稣大声喊著说：「以利！以利！拉马撒巴各大尼？」就是说：「我的神！我的神！为甚么离弃我？」』(马太福音 27:46)     

    而父与主是合一的，父当然会应许以主的名祈求的，也满足了他们喜乐。有些人会断章取意的说，『…你们若向父求甚么，他必因我的名赐给你们。』(约翰福音 16:23) 说到只要我们相信这是一张空白支票，求甚么都会得著，其实圣经在其他地方明说了是在什么情况下，才会求必定得著。经文说，『你们若常在我里面，我的话也常在你们里面；凡你们所愿意的，祈求就给你们成就。』(约翰福音 15:7) 当我们和耶稣合一时，我们所愿意的就是耶稣所愿意的，当然会成就。我不是说，没有在和三位一体的神完全合一前，祷告就不会被允应，祂是有绝对的主权且全知和全能的神，祂会按著自己的计划选择被蒙允应的祷告，而祂的计划在完成前，除非祂事先让我们知道某一部份，对我们是隐藏的事。     

    到他们和主合一的那日，主的意念就是他们的意念，怎么还需要问呢？ 接著就明说了一切事情，及门徒相信祂是从神而来的原因。只是人老我的信不能长久，在遇到事情时就不能坚持，如经文在此所预言的，而后也就真的如所记的发生了。就是在耶稣被捕时，『门徒都离开他，逃走了。』(马可福音 14:50) 如果我们详细的看经文就知道那时彼得和约翰那时没有逃走。彼得是在三次不认主后，『彼得想起耶稣所说的话：「鸡叫以先，你要三次不认我。」他就出去痛哭。』(马太福音 26:75) 在十字架前的最后只剩下了约翰，如经文所说，『耶稣见母亲和他所爱的那门徒(约翰)站在(十字架)旁边，…』(约翰福音 19:26)     

    我们在世上有苦难，可是祂已胜了世界，而且祂说，『我留下平安(G1515)给你们，我将我的平安赐给你们；我所赐的，不像世人所赐的。你们心里不要忧愁，也不要胆怯。』(约翰福音 14:27) 这里讲的喜乐和平安都是圣灵的一个果子的特性，如经文所说，『圣灵所结的果子(G2590, 单数)，就是仁爱、喜乐(G5479)、和平(G1515)、忍耐、恩慈、良善、信实、温柔、节制。这样的事，没有律法禁止。』(加拉太书 5:22-23) 『愿颂赞归与我们的主耶稣基督的父神，就是发慈悲的父，赐各样安慰的神。我们在一切患难中，他就安慰我们，叫我们能用神所赐的安慰去安慰那遭各样患难的人。』(哥林多后书 1:3-4)

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    首先，我們看到主道成肉身在地上生活時，曾告訴門徒，他將離開他們，但保惠師會來，並討論「想起」耶穌的話這事。第二，保惠師就是真理的聖靈，祂來將帶領我們進入一切的真理，並要榮耀耶穌。第三，主並告訴門徒，祂必須受死，並且從死裏復活，那時門徒將從憂傷轉為喜樂。最後說到是，到那日，我們可因主的名向父求，並且得著。主更應許將祂的平安留給我們，並強調祂已得勝了世界。

1. 祂去才能有保惠師降臨的應許

       『我已將這些事告訴你們，使你們不至於跌倒。人要把你們趕出會堂，並且時候將到，凡殺你們的，就以為是事奉神。他們這樣行，是因未曾認識父，也未曾認識我。我將這事告訴你們，是叫你們到了時候，可以想起我對你們說過了。我起先沒有將這事告訴你們，因為我與你們同在。「現今我往差我來的父那裏去，你們中間並沒有人問我：『你往哪裏去？』只因我將這事告訴你們，你們就滿心憂愁。然而我將真情告訴你們，我去是與你們有益的。我若不去，保惠師就不到你們這裏來；我若去，就差他來。他既來了，就要叫世人為罪、為義、為審判，自己責備自己。為罪，是因他們不信我；為義，是因我往父那裏去，你們就不再見我；為審判，是因這世界的王受了審判。』(約翰福音 16:1-11)

        關於「未曾認識我」，聖經明講，『…猶太人已經商議定了，若有認耶穌是基督的，要把他趕出會堂。』(約翰福音 9:22) 且耶穌明說，『…人看見了我，就是看見了父，…』(約翰福音 14:9) 也就是『我與父原為一。』(約翰福音 10:30) 他們不認識耶穌，怎麼會認識父呢？祂老早就預言了，猶太人會殺他們，因猶太人以為該如此事奉神。耶穌說，『我實實在在地告訴你們：僕人不能大於主人，差人也不能大於差他的人。』(約翰福音 13:16) 耶穌被釘十字架而死，猶太人怎麼不會想到要殺他們呢？

        祂其實說了很多預言，要時候到時，他們才能「想起」耶穌的話。譬如，彼得在哥尼流的事件說，『我就想起主的話說：『約翰是用水施洗，但你們要受聖靈的洗。』』(使徒行傳 11:16) 當然還有很多「想起」的例子，就不多說了。簡言之，就像我們過去討論過的，基督徒是要回顧過去的，才能確實的知道，神究竟如何在他身上做工，要知道，『…隱秘的事是屬耶和華我們神的，惟有明顯的事是永遠屬我們和我們子孫的，…』(申命記 29:29) 很多事原是隱秘的，當那些事發生而變為明顯時，我們才知道神當時的意念！所以，回顧過去不是去留念過去，而是要學習知道神的意念，這是非常重要的。真的不要硬著心，即使回顧過去，也會繼續的跟隨老我，看不到當時神的旨意！

        又如，耶穌明說了這預言，『…我若不去，保惠師(真理的聖靈)就不到你們這裏來；我若去，就差他來。』(約翰福音 16:7) 那時聖靈還沒有降下來，門徒當時真不知道祂在說什麼，這時是預言，要時候到時，他們才能「想起」耶穌的話。祂的確是如經文所說做的，『…我起先沒有將這事告訴你們，因為我與你們同在。』(約翰福音 16:4) 祂非常的清楚祂的時候到了，黑暗掌權了，祂也因此不能在地上與他們同在了。(參路加福音 22:53)

        祂並不是在彰顯祂的預言的能力，祂一開始就點明了祂的目的，『我已將這些事告訴你們，使你們不至於跌倒。』(約翰福音 16:1) 撒但是不會有預言的能力的，如果牠能預知，就不會介入耶穌的釘十字架，幫助救恩計劃的完成。撒但最多是如天氣預報般的預測，近時可能還會相當準，遠程一定不準。只是我們不得不承認基本上牠的預測應比我們準，因為牠有的資訊是比我們多。

        我們再看一個關於聖靈的預言，當耶穌差十二個門徒去時說：『你們要防備人，因為他們要把你們交給公會，也要在會堂裏鞭打你們；並且你們要為我的緣故，被送到諸侯君王面前，對他們和外邦人作見證。你們被交的時候，不要思慮怎樣說話，或說甚麼話。到那時候，必賜給你們當說的話，因為不是你們自己說的，乃是你們父的靈(聖靈)在你們裏頭說的。』(馬太福音 10:17-20) 路加福音也在說同樣的事情，『人帶你們到會堂，並官府和有權柄的人面前，不要思慮怎麼分訴，說甚麼話，因為正在那時候，聖靈要指教你們當說的話。』(路加福音 12:11-12) 這是預言，因是在那次差十二個去的時候並沒有發生這樣的事情。其實重點是在說，要他們不必擔憂，因為在那種情況下，聖靈會告訴他們當說的話。

        在這裏很清楚的說到，當聖靈來時，人在三方面都會自己責備自己。在罪的方面，是在說，『…不信的人，罪已經定了，因為他不信神獨生子的名。』(約翰福音 3:18) 我們必須要信。在義的方面，祂往父那裏去是因為祂復活了，而『…復活，是為叫我們稱義。』(羅馬書 4:25) 在審判方面，祂道成肉身來到世界，完成救恩，審判了這世界的王撒但，讓我們有了一個機會，得到永生。

2. 聖靈的工作

       『我還有好些事要告訴你們，但你們現在擔當不了。只等真理的聖靈來了，他要引導你們明白(進入: 原文)一切的真理，因為他不是憑自己說的，乃是把他所聽見的都說出來，並要把將來的事告訴你們。他要榮耀我，因為他要將受於我的告訴你們。凡父所有的，都是我的，所以我說，他要將受於我的告訴你們。』(約翰福音 16:12-15)

        祂沒有辦法全部告訴他們！即使祂直言了，『…人子要被交給祭司長和文士。他們要定他死罪，又交給外邦人，將他戲弄、鞭打、釘在十字架上，第三日他要復活。』(馬太福音 20:18-19) 他們也不會相信！直到看到事情真正的發生。譬如，經文中說到他們的反應，『他們(去以馬忤斯的兩門徒)就立時起身，回耶路撒冷去，正遇見十一個使徒和他們的同人聚集在一處，說：「主果然(G3689)復活，已經現給西門看了。」』(路加福音 24:33-34) 這裏用的是果然這字！很顯然的，他們看到了所有事情發生後才信了。

        真理的聖靈就是保惠師(參約翰福音 14:16-17)，祂來是要帶領我們進入一切真理。祂來的目的是要榮耀耶穌，把祂聽耶穌講的都告訴我們，包括一些他們那時不能擔當的事，也有如啓示錄般的未來的事。那時的其中一件就是，『人帶你們到會堂，並官府和有權柄的人面前，不要思慮怎麼分訴，說甚麼話，因為正在那時候，聖靈要指教你們當說的話。』(路加福音 12:11-12) 今日亦然。聖靈是三位一體的神中的一位，三位在創世之前本是同尊同榮的，但在道成肉身的期間，是有一個次序的，父差遣子(參約翰福音 16:5)，人子耶穌若不去，聖靈就不會降臨(參約翰福音 16:7)。很顯然的，耶穌在最後又提到了一次，『我與父原為一。』(約翰福音 10:30)

3. 死而復活要變憂愁為喜樂

       『「等不多時，你們就不得見我；再等不多時，你們還要見我。」有幾個門徒就彼此說：「他對我們說『等不多時，你們就不得見我；再等不多時，你們還要見我。』又說『因我往父那裏去』，這是甚麼意思呢？」門徒彼此說：「他說『等不多時』到底是甚麼意思呢？我們不明白他所說的話。」耶穌看出他們要問他，就說：「我說『等不多時，你們就不得見我；再等不多時，你們還要見我』，你們為這話彼此相問嗎？我實實在在地告訴你們：你們將要痛哭、哀號，世人倒要喜樂；你們將要憂愁，然而你們的憂愁要變為喜樂。婦人生產的時候就憂愁，因為她的時候到了；既生了孩子，就不再記念那苦楚，因為歡喜世上生了一個人。你們現在也是憂愁，但我要再見你們，你們的心就喜樂了，這喜樂也沒有人能奪去。」』(約翰福音 16:16-22)

        現在，祂明說了等不多時祂釘十字架的時間就到了，也就對門徒明說了自己會死而復活。即使祂告訴他們原因，『…『因我往父那裏去』，…』(約翰福音 16:17) 他們也因不信而聽不懂。是的，他們會因祂的死亡而痛哭、哀號，世人卻會為救恩計劃的成就而有一機會而喜樂。他們見到了耶穌的復活後，就會轉變憂愁為喜樂，這就如婦人生產了一個人會轉憂愁為歡喜，而門徒的喜樂是沒有人能奪去的。

4. 得勝和平安

          『「到那日，你們甚麼也就不問我了。我實實在在地告訴你們：你們若向父求甚麼，他必因我的名賜給你們。向來你們沒有奉我的名求甚麼，如今你們求就必得着，叫你們的喜樂(G5479)可以滿足。「這些事，我是用比喻對你們說的；時候將到，我不再用比喻對你們說，乃要將父明明地告訴你們。到那日，你們要奉我的名祈求；我並不對你們說，我要為你們求父。父自己愛你們，因為你們已經愛我，又信我是從父出來的。我從父出來，到了世界；我又離開世界，往父那裏去。」門徒說：「如今你是明說，並不用比喻了。現在我們曉得你凡事都知道，也不用人問你，因此我們信你是從神出來的。」耶穌說：「現在你們信嗎？看哪，時候將到，且是已經到了，你們要分散，各歸自己的地方去，留下我獨自一人。其實我不是獨自一人，因為有父與我同在。「我將這些事告訴你們，是要叫你們在我裏面有平安(G1515)。在世上你們有苦難，但你們可以放心，我已經勝了世界。」』(約翰福音 16:23-33)

    祂與父合一，所以不是只有祂獨自一人。唯一的例外是為了在十架上完成救恩時，父神暫時的離開祂，如經文所記，『約在申初，耶穌大聲喊着說：「以利！以利！拉馬撒巴各大尼？」就是說：「我的神！我的神！為甚麼離棄我？」』(馬太福音 27:46)

     而父與主是合一的，父當然會應許以主的名祈求的，也滿足了他們喜樂。有些人會斷章取意的說，『…你們若向父求甚麼，他必因我的名賜給你們。』(約翰福音 16:23) 說到只要我們相信這是一張空白支票，求甚麼都會得著，其實聖經在其他地方明說了是在什麼情況下，才會求必定得著。經文說，『你們若常在我裏面，我的話也常在你們裏面；凡你們所願意的，祈求就給你們成就。』(約翰福音 15:7) 當我們和耶穌合一時，我們所願意的就是耶穌所願意的，當然會成就。我不是說，沒有在和三位一體的神完全合一前，禱告就不會被允應，祂是有絕對的主權且全知和全能的神，祂會按著自己的計劃選擇被蒙允應的禱告，而祂的計劃在完成前，除非祂事先讓我們知道某一部份，對我們是隱藏的事。

     到他們和主合一的那日，主的意念就是他們的意念，怎麼還需要問呢？ 接著就明說了一切事情，及門徒相信祂是從神而來的原因。只是人老我的信不能長久，在遇到事情時就不能堅持，如經文在此所預言的，而後也就真的如所記的發生了。就是在耶穌被捕時，『門徒都離開他，逃走了。』(馬可福音 14:50) 如果我們詳細的看經文就知道那時彼得和約翰那時沒有逃走。彼得是在三次不認主後，『彼得想起耶穌所說的話：「雞叫以先，你要三次不認我。」他就出去痛哭。』(馬太福音 26:75) 在十字架前的最後只剩下了約翰，如經文所說，『耶穌見母親和他所愛的那門徒(約翰)站在(十字架)旁邊，…』(約翰福音 19:26)

     我們在世上有苦難，可是祂已勝了世界，而且祂說，『我留下平安(G1515)給你們，我將我的平安賜給你們；我所賜的，不像世人所賜的。你們心裏不要憂愁，也不要膽怯。』(約翰福音 14:27) 這裏講的喜樂和平安都是聖靈的一個果子的特性，如經文所說，『聖靈所結的果子(G2590, 單數)，就是仁愛、喜樂(G5479)、和平(G1515)、忍耐、恩慈、良善、信實、溫柔、節制。這樣的事，沒有律法禁止。』(加拉太書 5:22-23) 『願頌讚歸與我們的主耶穌基督的父神，就是發慈悲的父，賜各樣安慰的神。我們在一切患難中，他就安慰我們，叫我們能用神所賜的安慰去安慰那遭各樣患難的人。』(哥林多後書 1:3-4)

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First, we see that when the Lord was living on earth in the flesh, He told His disciples that He would leave them, but the Comforter would come, and we discussed the matter of “remembering” Jesus’ words.  Second, the Comforter is the Holy Spirit of truth, who comes to lead us into all truth and to glorify Jesus.  Third, the Lord told His disciples that He must die and be resurrected from the dead, and then the disciples would turn from grief to joy.  Finally, on that day, we will be able to ask the Father in the name of the Lord and receive.  The Lord also promises to leave us His peace and emphasizes that He has overcome the world.

1. The promise that the Comforter will come only after He leaves

““These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling. They will make you outcasts from the synagogue, but an hour is coming for everyone who kills you to think that he is offering service to God. These things they will do because they have not known the Father or Me. But these things I have spoken to you, so that when their hour comes, you may remember that I told you of them. These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you. “But now I am going to Him who sent Me; and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged.”(John 16:1-11)

Regarding “they have not known the Father or Me,” the Bible clearly states, “…the Jews had already agreed that if anyone confessed Him to be Christ, he was to be put out of the synagogue.”(John 9:22) Jesus also said, “…He who has seen Me has seen the Father; …”(John 14:9) which means “I and the Father are one.”(John 10:30) How could they know the Father if they did not know Jesus?  He had predicted long ago that the Jews would kill them because this was how the Jews thought they should serve God.  Jesus said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, a slave is not greater than his master, nor is one who is sent greater than the one who sent him.”(John 13:16) Jesus was crucified and died, so how could the Jews not think of killing them?

He actually made many prophecies, and they would not be able to “remember” Jesus’ words until the time came.  For example, Peter said in the case of Cornelius, “Then I remembered the word of the Lord, which he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.  ‘”(Acts 11:16) Of course, there are many other examples of “remembering”, so I won’t go into details.  In short, as we have discussed in the past, Christians need to look back to the past in order to truly know how God is working in them. We must know that, ““The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, …”(Deuteronomy 29:29) Many things were originally secret, and only when those things happened and became visible do we know God’s thoughts at the time!  Therefore, looking back on the past is not to linger on the past, but to learn to know God’s thoughts. This is very important.  Really don’t harden your heart. Even if you look back on the past, you might not believe or wrongly interpret what happened and continue to follow your old self and fail to see God’s will at that time!

For example, Jesus clearly stated this prophecy, “…if I do not go away, the Helper (the Spirit of truth, the Comforter) will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.”(John 16:7) At that time the Holy Spirit had not yet descended, and the disciples really did not know what He was saying. This was a prophecy, and only when the time came would they “remember” Jesus’ words.  He did exactly what the verse says, “…These things I did not say to you at the beginning, because I was with you.”(John 16:4) He knew very well that His hour had come, darkness had taken over, and He could no longer be with them on the earth.  (See Luke 22:53)

He was not demonstrating His prophetic power. He made His purpose clear at the beginning, “These things I have spoken to you so that you may be kept from stumbling.”(John 16:1) Satan does not have the ability to prophesy. If he could have foreseen what will happen, he would not have intervened in Jesus’ crucifixion and helped to accomplish the plan of salvation.  At most, Satan’s predictions are like weather forecasts, which may be quite accurate in the near future but definitely not in the long term.  But we have to admit that basically its predictions should be more accurate than ours because it has more information than we do.

Let’s look at another prophecy about the Holy Spirit. When Jesus sent out the twelve disciples, He said, “But beware of men, for they will hand you over to the courts and scourge you in their synagogues; and you will even be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.”(Matthew 10:17-20) Luke says the same thing, “When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”(Luke 12:11-12) This was a prophecy, because nothing like this happened when the twelve were sent out.  The point is that they don’t have to worry because the Holy Spirit will tell them what to say in that situation.

It is clearly stated here that when the Holy Spirit comes, people will blame themselves in three aspects.  In terms of sin, it says, “…he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”(John 3:18) We must believe.  In terms of righteousness, He goes to the Father because He was resurrected, and “…was raised because of our justification.”(Romans 4:25) In terms of judgment, He became flesh and came into the world to accomplish salvation and judged Satan, the king of this world, giving us a chance to gain eternal life.

2. The Work of the Holy Spirit

“I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.”(John 16:12-15)

He couldn’t tell them all!  Even though He said it bluntly, “…the Son of Man will be delivered to the chief priests and scribes, and they will condemn Him to death, and will hand Him over to the Gentiles to mock and scourge and crucify Him, and on the third day He will be raised up.”(Matthew 20:18-19) Until they see it actually happen, they won’t believe it!  For example, the scripture says about their reaction, “And (the two disciples who went to Emmaus) they got up that very hour and returned to Jerusalem, and found gathered together the eleven and those who were with them, saying, “The Lord has really (G3689 , indeed) risen and has appeared to Simon.””(Luke 24:33-34) The word “indeed” is used here!  Obviously, they believed it after seeing everything happen.

The Holy Spirit of truth is the Comforter (see John 14:16-17). He comes to lead us into all truth.  The purpose of His coming was to glorify Jesus and to tell us everything He heard Jesus say, including some things that they could not bear at that time, as well as future things like in the Book of Revelation.  One of the things at that time is, “When they bring you before the synagogues and the rulers and the authorities, do not worry about how or what you are to speak in your defense, or what you are to say; for the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”(Luke 12:11-12) The same is true today.  The Holy Spirit is one of the three persons in the Trinity. Before the creation of the world, the three persons were of equal dignity and honor, but during the incarnation, there was an order: the Father sent the Son (see John 16:5), and if the Son of Man Jesus had not gone, the Holy Spirit would not have come (see John 16:7).  Obviously, Jesus mentioned it once more at the end, “I and the Father are one.”(John 10:30)

3. Resurrection will make grief into joy

““A little while, and you will no longer see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me.” Some of His disciples then said to one another, “What is this thing He is telling us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” So they were saying, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is talking about.” Jesus knew that they wished to question Him, and He said to them, “Are you deliberating together about this, that I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me, and again a little while, and you will see Me’? Truly, truly, I say to you, that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; you will grieve, but your grief will be turned into joy. Whenever a woman is in labor she has pain, because her hour has come; but when she gives birth to the child, she no longer remembers the anguish because of the joy that a child has been born into the world. Therefore you too have grief now; but I will see you again, and your heart will rejoice, and no one will take your joy away from you.”(John 16:16-22)

Regarding John 16:16-19, He had said something similar to this to the Jews early in His ministry, “Therefore Jesus said, “For a little while longer I am with you, then I go to Him who sent Me. You will seek Me, and will not find Me; and where I am, you cannot come.””(John 7:33-34) “So they were seeking to seize Him; and no man laid his hand on Him, because His hour had not yet come.”(John 7:30) Now, He made it clear that the time for His crucifixion would come soon, and He also told His disciples that He would die and be resurrected.  Even if He had told them the reason, “…because I go to the Father…”(John 16:17), they would not have understood because of their unbelief.  Yes, they will weep and lament over His death, but the world will rejoice that there is a chance for them to get the eternal life since the plan of salvation was fulfilled.  After they saw Jesus’ resurrection, their sorrow turned into joy, just as a woman turns sorrow into joy when she gives birth to a child. And no one could take away the disciples’ joy.

4. Overcoming and peace 

“In that day you will not question Me about anything. Truly, truly, I say to you, if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you. Until now you have asked for nothing in My name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy (G5479) may be made full. “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father. In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I will request of the Father on your behalf; for the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came forth from the Father. I came forth from the Father and have come into the world; I am leaving the world again and going to the Father.”  His disciples said, “Lo, now You are speaking plainly and are not using a figure of speech. Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe? Behold, an hour is coming, and has already come, for you to be scattered, each to his own home, and to leave Me alone; and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with Me. These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace (G1515). In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.””(John 16:23-33)

He is one with the Father, so He is not alone.  The only exception was that the Father temporarily left Him when He accomplished salvation on the cross, as recorded in the Scripture, “About the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is, “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?””(Matthew 27:46)

The Father and the Lord are one, so the Father would certainly promise to those who prayed in the name of the Lord and satisfy their joy.  Some would take it out of context and say, “…if you ask the Father for anything in My name, He will give it to you.”(John 16:23) It says that as long as we believe that this is a blank check, we will receive whatever we ask for. In fact, the Bible clearly states in other places under what circumstances we will definitely receive what we ask for.  The scripture says, “If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.”(John 15:7) When we are one with Jesus, whatever we desire is what Jesus desires, and it will certainly be accomplished.  I am not saying that without complete union with the Triune God, prayers will not be answered. He is an absolutely sovereign, omniscient and almighty God. He will choose the prayers that will be answered according to His own plan, and His plan will be hidden from us unless He lets us know some part of it before it is fulfilled.

When they become one with the Lord, the Lord’s thoughts will be their thoughts. Why would they still need to ask? Then the disciples said that He was speaking plainly and explained why they believed that He was from God.  But as the faith from old self cannot last long, and it cannot persevere when things happen not in its way, as the scripture predicts here, and then it really happened as written.  It was when Jesus was arrested that “And they all left Him and fled.”(Mark 14:50) If we read the scriptures in detail, we will know that Peter and John did not flee at that time.  After Peter denied the Lord three times, “And Peter remembered the word which Jesus had said, “Before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” And he went out and wept bitterly.”(Matthew 26:75) In the end, only John was left in front of the cross. As the scripture says, “When Jesus then saw His mother, and the disciple (John) whom He loved standing nearby (the cross), …”(John 19:26)

We have suffering in the world, but He has overcome the world, and He said, “Peace I leave with you; My peace I give to you; not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled, nor let it be fearful.”(John 14:27) The joy and peace mentioned here are both characteristics of the fruit of the Holy Spirit. As the scripture says, “But the fruit (G2590, singular) of the Spirit is love, joy (G5479), peace (G1515), patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.”(Galatians 5:22-23) “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God.”(2 Corinthians 1:3-4)

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    圣经明说，当我们在信心里面时，会看到，『…外体虽然毁坏，内心却一天新似一天。』(哥林多后书 4:16) 这是因为圣灵每天都会在我们身上作工，带领我们往前。现在就举三个圣灵带领我们的例子，附上发生的时间，所以知道这是最近才发生的事情。在看这三个例子前，首先我们注意到，按照过去的进度，我们实在是应该继续看约翰福音第十六章，但在准备的时候，发觉除了老早就出来的第一段外，实在没有其他话语出来，而这些又不能和这周已出来的小题、上周专题查经所带出来的思考相合。知道了不能将两者放在一起，就开始思想最近圣灵是如何带领我们的，发现可以分享的应该是这三个例子。        

    第一，我们讨论了上周专题查经(2/16/25)后所带出来的思考，为著要说明这我们解释了专题查经目前的流程。从上周讨论的『3132 于宏洁的新人门训 – 不合乎圣经的地方 (2)』的流程中，我们看见了以前的教导，以为必须要去逐字逐句完成相应的文章才是神的旨意，这样的想法是错的。基本上神有绝对的主权，我们怎么能限制神一定要这样做呢？当然也叙述了我们看到的其他问题。第二，我在台湾待了约三个月，到今年(2025)的一月十九日才回来，在最后约一个月发生的事情中，我看到圣灵是如何带领我们往前，我们是该如何和神同工的一个例子，我会详细的把这件事情清楚的叙述出来。第三是这周三(2/19/25)才发生的事情，告诉我们如何分辩一件邪灵的工作。

1. 上周专题查经后所带出来的思考        

    我们先看看专题查经目前的流程，在每一次时我们都是先准备好投影片，如以前的分享所示。分享时是以投影片为骨干，然后可能会有临时加入的话语。分享后我们会基于分享的视频，而有相应或其扩展的文章，此时是尽可能的依照以前的教导，去逐字逐句的完成相应的文章部份，尤其是美加西海岸基督徒追求聚会(WCCC, West Coast Christian Conference)就是这样做的，也因此相信这是对的。        

    在上周分享『3132 于宏洁的新人门训 – 不合乎圣经的地方 (2)』后，我要依照其视频写其扩展的文章时，发觉加上扩展的部份后，要保持最后的文章不太长，是不可能去逐字逐句去写相应的部份的，这使我重新思考以前的教导是否是正确的！因此我发觉了两个问题。第一是说，神有绝对的主权，我们不能告诉神祢非要这样做不可，祂可以用祂的方法告诉我们祂的旨意，譬如事后的扩展部份。当然这样逐字逐句的写出来，对人来说是最简单的，但我们要知道到底谁是主！       

    第二，这样做是假设讲员是这么的属灵，他能即席分辩出来的话语都是从圣灵来的，而不是只是神所允许的，如约伯记一开始所说的一样。换句话说，假设讲员的话就是圣灵的话，我只能说，以个人的经验来说，不见得是这样的！我看见一个人以为自己是这样的，只讲神要祂讲的话，愿神开他的眼睛！我也发觉了一点，视频或其相应的文章只是要传递一些主要的概念，只要概念能讲得清楚，实在没必有必要逐字逐句的写出，因这样做有可能会含有，只是神允许的错误部份，特别是我们还要加上启示的扩展部份。

    当然有些这么属灵的人能立刻知道那些是圣灵的旨意，圣经就有一个这样的例子。『有主的一个使者对腓利说：「起来！向南走，往那从耶路撒冷下迦萨的路上去。那路是旷野。」腓利就起身去了。…』(使徒行传 8:26-27) 从使徒行传 8:27-28，我们知道有一个太监上耶路撒冷礼拜，而现在回来，在车上坐著，念先知以赛亚的书。然后是，『圣灵对腓利说：「你去贴近那车走。」腓利就跑到太监那里，…』(使徒行传 8:29-30) 当腓利解释那一段话并向太监传教后，太监就受了洗，当他们『 从水里上来，主的灵把腓利提了去。…』(使徒行传 8:39)        

    我们简单的介绍这一段事情，不只是在说即席知道圣灵的旨意是可以达到的，也要再强调一个读经的一个原则，就是圣经没有说的和没有概念的，不要乱猜。三位一体是圣经没说的，但绝对有神是三位一体的神的概念。        

    回到腓利的例子，有人对我说，既然受洗后腓利被提去，那么最初他也是被提到太监的车旁不远处的。我们看到圣经不是这样说，使者是要他下迦萨的路上去，这样说是忘了神的大能，早已预知了他如立刻走旷野的路，会正好看见太监的车。经文并没用立刻二字，我们为什么这样说呢？腓利是被圣灵充满的人，如经文所说，『所以，弟兄们，当从你们中间选出七个有好名声、被圣灵充满、智慧充足的人，我们就派他们管理这事(饭食)。…又拣选腓利、伯罗哥罗、…』(使徒行传 6:5) 腓利知道『不要消灭圣灵的感动。』(帖撒罗尼迦前书 5:19) 在信心中有这立刻的概念，如经文所说，『自己好像仆人等候主人从婚姻的筵席上回来。他来到叩门，就立刻给他开门。』(路加福音 12:36) 如果来时被提，那里看得到腓利的信心，立刻顺服了圣灵的带领。而且如果是被提，为什么不直接提到车旁而要使腓利跑呢？就有人猜测说，这样的直接被提会使太监吓一跳，这也是圣经没说的、也没有这概念的，不要主观的去强解圣经。

2. 圣灵的带领及和神同工       

    关于圣灵的带领，祂是要我这次先踏出第一步，然后一步一步的带领，如果我不先踏出那第一步，就不会有后面的带领。所以这次的和神同工，就是要相信神，站在神那边去踏出那第一步。现在我就叙述一下发生的事情，可以使你知道为什么我会这么说！请注意，为了隐私，我没有将弟兄的名字说出，而是在叙述中用年长弟兄和(开放家庭的)年轻弟兄去说明。       

    我是去年(2024)底因妈妈身体的缘故，突然回去台湾近三个月，因弟弟告诉我摸不到她的脉搏，就改了原订明年才回去的机票。在这次回去的一天周日，我听到在对门有诗歌的声音，知道有召会的聚会，因为别的教会都是在教堂中周日聚会。因在同一年的二月左右，我回去过约九十天的时间，可是那段时间并不知道有这聚会，心想、神莫不是在给我可以给人看、医疗系统纪录的客观事实以后，才让我知道有这聚会，要我给大家一个机会也可以亲眼看见，而得到这客观事实。因知道神常用偶然引导人，但不是所有的偶然都是神的引导，但也不敢轻忽，就在约一周后参加了这聚会，踏出了第一步。参加聚会后，我确定了这次真是神要我这么做！       

    首先，我本来就对召会没有什么好印象，照我的看见我是不应该参加这聚会的，最后我在意念中被说服的原因是，『神爱世人，…』(约翰福音 3:16) 救恩的计划是为每一个人的，大使命是要传给不信的人的，并要他们遵守主的道，给他们一个机会。同样的，我相信这客观事实不只是给我的，而是给每一个我能接触到的人一个机会，知道有这客观的事实。

    参加聚会后又发生了好几件事情，我更能确定了这是神的一步一步的带领。第一，在意念中使我知道要送给年长弟兄和年轻弟兄『3123 神用客观的、给别人看的客观事实显现祂的存在』，在我做后的和年长弟兄简短的讨论以后，在意念中知道要加这一段，『当然，如果一个基督徒没有经历过客观的事实，因为他现在有一个机会亲自看见这客观事实，让他知道神用客观的事实彰现了祂的存在，所以他也是为自己看的。』因我的医疗系统是用英文的，我以前以为只懂英文才行，在意念中我知道了又要加上一段，『即使不懂英文也没有关系，可以用翻译的软体，如谷歌的，等等。』当然「2123」更新了很多次才到最后的版本，我只是选了这两个事件显示圣灵在这次是如何带领这篇文章的完成。这些都是我说的主观证据，因我不能将我的意念显给大家看。客观的事实则大不相同，因医疗系统的客观纪录是可以给每个人看的。

    另外也因参加了聚会，知道了他们常用「行政」一辞，也发觉「行政」这辞在圣经没有，是在召会用的圣经恢复本注解里面。因为以为年长弟兄解释这辞是引用彼得前书 5:5，就去看了这节经文，恢复本的中文翻译和其英文如下: 中文为『照样，年幼的，要服从年长的；你们众人彼此相待，也都要以谦卑束腰，因为神敌挡狂傲的人，赐恩给谦卑的人。』英文是，『In like manner, younger men, be subject to elders; and all of you gird yourselves with humility to one another, because God resists but gives grace to the humble.』不很懂英文没有关系，我们只要知道长老(elders)这字就可以了。我真没想到恢复本的注解是这样说的: 『虽然原文与1节的长老同字，但这里原则上该是指所有年长的人。』

    这节经文很明显在讲属灵的生命，而不是在讲生理上的年龄，所以用长老(elders) 这辞。这是明知故犯，明知是知道在讲长老(elders)，而故犯是在注解中硬说「原则上该是指所有年长的人」。如果一个人真的是以圣经的话为依归，是不可能有这样注解的。神也在不同的环境中使我看到恢复本注解的错误，这只是其中的一个地方，也有不合逻辑的地方，所以要非常小心的分辩注解的对错。        

    另外是有一位带诗歌的弟兄，说是神要他选一首诗歌代替他原先要选的诗歌，但这不是出自神，神是要借著这次的事情，告诉这位弟兄，不要以为出自意念中的事一定是由神而来的。因为那诗歌是向神祷告，求神使我们不被宗教的仪式所捆挷，而他一面正在行宗教呼召的仪式。因为除召会外，没有呼召的，早期的教会没有，召会是由倪柝声的聚会所而来，聚会所也没有。神不会给人一个矛盾的讯息的。        

    为了确定这位弟兄确实不能做这样的分辩，就请他去看约伯记中提幔人以利法对约伯说的话，知不知道那灵是撒但？看不看得出那灵的话是对错相杂？为了和他交通，我去看了恢复本的注解，知道只在引用串珠。如果你逐一看过所引用的经文，就知道那些是撒但的观点，撒但背叛神，当然神不相信牠，而神相信天使的例子一字未提。神相信天使有相当多的例子，我现在就只举其中三个。如『但波斯国的魔君拦阻我二十一日，忽然有大君中的一位米迦勒来帮助我，我就停留在波斯诸王那里。』(但以理书 10:13)  又如『在天上就有了争战。米迦勒同他的使者与龙争战，龙也同牠的使者去争战。』(启示录 12:7) 再如，『天使回答说：「我是站在神面前的加百列，奉差而来对你说话，将这好信息报给你。』(路加福音 1:19) 这些都是神信任天使的例子。      

    我也参加了年会，年长弟兄带我去时，提到我不该用我和你们，从人的角度看，好像我是在把他们分别出来，的确如此，但每次都有原因。譬如，我有客观的事实，他们没有，在这种情况下，我不用我和你们怎么能诚实的说这件事呢？作为基督徒的我，必须说诚实话！

    同时，他也问了我参加聚会的动机，我告诉了他。当知回来后心被激动，送给了年轻弟兄一个电子邮件，告诉他们我的动机，其中包括以上所陈述的事实，并说『请你将这讯息转给弟兄姊妹，我在下次聚会时会带我的计算机，如果有人要亲自看这客观的事实，我就可以显给他们看。希望他们有耐心看完这么长的讯息。谢谢。』也包括了，年长『弟兄告诉我下次聚会我有五分钟的时间分享，想想还是先送出这讯息，看看到时大家的反应吧！』五分钟怎么够分享客观事实呢？没有想到不仅没有转送我的电子邮件，并且临时改变了，把要来的两周主日聚会改成不是在年轻弟兄的家聚会。这使我想到了已告诉他们何时会回美，所以他们知道两周后我已不再台湾了，且我也因眼睛的缘故，不可能参加最一次我能带计算机去参加的那原订的聚会。关于眼睛，这是另一个神的工作，当时的情况在我的见证，『3038 在海上走和相应的见证、及医治生来是瞎子的』中，如果你有兴趣的话，可以到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的网站后，按『对属灵生命的了解』，找到这篇文章。       

    在最后的那一周日中，我心被激动，比平常早些，就是在时间还没有到时去参加聚会，正好碰到年轻弟兄全家要去参加那改了的聚会。就像我在事后给年轻弟兄的电子邮件所说，没看到你的电子邮件反而和你有个简短的分享，我以为如你姊妹所讲的，你们除了年会外，都在你们家聚会，我怎么会不想到这是临时的改变，让弟兄姊妹没有机会看到客观的事实，和面对注解会有错误的事情的事实。这最后的电子邮件也包括了，如果可能的话，请你把低马的事情告诉年长弟兄！告诉年长弟兄低马这件事，是想让他知道，基督徒即使是如保罗同工的低马，也是会堕落的，从他带我去年会的对话中，我知道这是他应该知道的。最后也说了下次我回来时，就不参加他们的聚会了。再次谢谢他们。       

    最后谈到的是关于『3123 神用客观的、给别人看的客观事实显现祂的存在』，我在回美后还有一段插曲。有一位姊妹说，『我第一次看文章后，就是这种想法，所以我没有告诉您我的真实感受，只是很隐晦的提出了我的不认同，很抱歉。但是昨天圣灵感动我应该把真实感受告诉您。』从以上的叙述中，你应该可以看到提到的部份的确是圣灵的感动，当然还有我没有提到的部份。她虽然没有直接的说，我不是因圣灵的感动而写了这篇文章，但可以从她说的话看出来，因为她说，『我相信您的本意是要荣耀神的。』       

    因为她说的真实感受是对错相杂的，不是圣灵的感动，所以我没有把她的真实感动受说出来。但为了让她看到这不是圣灵的感动这一点，我在  2/3/25 的更新中，只将神做的客观事实写出来，并在题目中将客观的那些字拿掉，改为『2123 神用给别人看的客观事实显现祂的存在』，因为想这可能是她能接受的。但在事后在我送给参加专题查经的人的电子邮件中，神不同意这样做，因为我被感动要用不肯定的语气说，这更新只是怀疑(suspected)可能和老我有关，所以在这次准备专题查经时，我在网上改回了用旧的版本。       

    关于神用客观的这点，有人会主观的认为这客观的事实是别的灵做的，但因为我相信的是三位一体的神，假设是别的灵做的，那么这灵也是要我相信这是三位一体的神做的。有人可能会说那灵是多么的大量，愿意如此这般做。因为不是圣灵就是邪灵，我不会相信有这样的邪灵，但有人可能会主观的如此相信。要知道，三位一体的神的存在是一个客观的事实，客观的事实是不会因主观的看法而改变的。

3. 一个分辩邪灵工作的例子       

    有人对我们说，他要跟我们讲三个多年前圣神(圣灵)在他身上工作的事情，在他和我在电话中的谈话方式，我就已经觉得有问题，于是我们就在周三(2/19/25)坐火车去了矽谷和他见面。       

    和他见面后，他告诉我们的第一件事情是很久以前在被按手时，突然的向前飞出了一大段距离，然后圣神将他柔软的头朝下的放下。因为是柔软放下的缘故，他相信这是圣神的工作。他同时也说到了一个相关的事情，就是一位做妻子的看到这件事情，在她的丈夫没有希望时，虽然有反对插管的声音，她仍然决定去插管延长她丈夫的性命，所以她可以安排为她丈夫按手并众多人的祷告，不过类似的奇迹并没有发生，她的丈夫还是那次死了。       

    第二件事是他在一次祷告时，觉得自己灵魂出窍，到了天国，有不可言喻的经历。       

    第三件事是一个异梦，他的解释是圣神要他告诉别人他经历的事情，所以他在他的教会中告诉了一百多人这三件事情。在这一百多人中，没有人告诉他这可能会是邪灵的工作。

    为了这点，我请他看约伯记的第四章，看看他能不能看得出提幔人以利法在梦中的那灵是撒但。没想到他说他不看圣经，我就告诉了他，如果是圣灵的工作，是不会让人不读圣经的，这绝对不是圣灵的工作。我们真是要用圣经的话语作为绝对的标准去分辩。

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    聖經明說，當我們在信心裏面時，會看到，『…外體雖然毀壞，內心卻一天新似一天。』(哥林多後書 4:16) 這是因為聖靈每天都會在我們身上作工，帶領我們往前。現在就舉三個聖靈帶領我們的例子，附上發生的時間，所以知道這是最近才發生的事情。在看這三個例子前，首先我們注意到，按照過去的進度，我們實在是應該繼續看約翰福音第十六章，但在準備的時候，發覺除了老早就出來的第一段外，實在沒有其他話語出來，而這些又不能和這週已出來的小題、上週專題查經所帶出來的思考相合。知道了不能將兩者放在一起，就開始思想最近聖靈是如何帶領我們的，發現可以分享的應該是這三個例子。

        第一，我們討論了上週專題查經(2/16/25)後所帶出來的思考，為著要說明這我們解釋了專題查經目前的流程。從上週討論的『2132 于宏潔的新人門訓 – 不合乎聖經的地方 (2)』的流程中，我們看見了以前的教導，以為必須要去逐字逐句完成相應的文章才是神的旨意，這樣的想法是錯的。基本上神有絕對的主權，我們怎麼能限制神一定要這樣做呢？當然也敍述了我們看到的其他問題。第二，我在台灣待了約三個月，到今年(2025)的一月十九日才回來，在最後約一個月發生的事情中，我看到聖靈是如何帶領我們往前，我們是該如何和神同工的一個例子，我會詳細的把這件事情清楚的敍述出來。第三是這週三(2/19/25)才發生的事情，告訴我們如何分辨一件邪靈的工作。

1. 上週專題查經後所帶出來的思考

        我們先看看專題查經目前的流程，在每一次時我們都是先準備好投影片，如以前的分享所示。分享時是以投影片為骨幹，然後可能會有臨時加入的話語。分享後我們會基於分享的視頻，而有相應或其擴展的文章，此時是儘可能的依照以前的教導，去逐字逐句的完成相應的文章部份，尤其是美加西海岸基督徒追求聚會(WCCC, West Coast Christian Conference)就是這樣做的，也因此相信這是對的。

        在上週分享『2132 于宏潔的新人門訓 – 不合乎聖經的地方 (2)』後，我要依照其視頻寫其擴展的文章時，發覺加上擴展的部份後，要保持最後的文章不太長，是不可能去逐字逐句去寫相應的部份的，這使我重新思考以前的教導是否是正確的！因此我發覺了兩個問題。第一是說，神有絕對的主權，我們不能告訴神祢非要這樣做不可，祂可以用祂的方法告訴我們祂的旨意，譬如事後的擴展部份。當然這樣逐字逐句的寫出來，對人來說是最簡單的，但我們要知道到底誰是主！

       第二，這樣做是假設講員是這麼的屬靈，他能即席分辨出來的話語都是從聖靈來的，而不是只是神所允許的，如約伯記一開始所說的一樣。換句話說，假設講員的話就是聖靈的話，我只能說，以個人的經驗來說，不見得是這樣的！我看見一個人以為自己是這樣的，只講神要祂講的話，願神開他的眼睛！我也發覺了一點，視頻或其相應的文章只是要傳遞一些主要的概念，只要概念能講得清楚，實在沒必有必要逐字逐句的寫出，因這樣做有可能會含有，只是神允許的錯誤部份，特別是我們還要加上啓示的擴展部份。

        當然有些這麼屬靈的人能立刻知道那些是聖靈的旨意，聖經就有一個這樣的例子。『有主的一個使者對腓利說：「起來！向南走，往那從耶路撒冷下迦薩的路上去。那路是曠野。」腓利就起身去了。…』(使徒行傳 8:26-27) 從使徒行傳 8:27-28，我們知道有一個太監上耶路撒冷禮拜，而現在回來，在車上坐着，念先知以賽亞的書。然後是，『聖靈對腓利說：「你去貼近那車走。」腓利就跑到太監那裏，…』(使徒行傳 8:29-30) 當腓利解釋那一段話並向太監傳教後，太監就受了洗，當他們『 從水裏上來，主的靈把腓利提了去。…』(使徒行傳 8:39) 

        我們簡單的介紹這一段事情，不只是在說即席知道聖靈的旨意是可以達到的，也要再強調一個讀經的一個原則，就是聖經沒有說的和沒有概念的，不要亂猜。三位一體是聖經沒說的，但絕對有神是三位一體的神的概念。

        回到腓利的例子，有人對我說，既然受洗後腓利被提去，那麼最初他也是被提到太監的車旁不遠處的。我們看到聖經不是這樣說，使者是要他下迦薩的路上去，這樣說是忘了神的大能，早已預知了他如立刻走曠野的路，會正好看見太監的車。經文並沒用立刻二字，我們為什麼這樣說呢？腓利是被聖靈充滿的人，如經文所說，『所以，弟兄們，當從你們中間選出七個有好名聲、被聖靈充滿、智慧充足的人，我們就派他們管理這事(飯食)。…又揀選腓利、伯羅哥羅、…』(使徒行傳 6:5) 腓利知道『不要消滅聖靈的感動。』(帖撒羅尼迦前書 5:19) 在信心中有這立刻的概念，如經文所說，『自己好像僕人等候主人從婚姻的筵席上回來。他來到叩門，就立刻給他開門。』(路加福音 12:36) 如果來時被提，那裏看得到腓利的信心，立刻順服了聖靈的帶領。而且如果是被提，為什麼不直接提到車旁而要使腓利跑呢？就有人猜測說，這樣的直接被提會使太監吓一跳，這也是聖經沒說的、也沒有這概念的，不要主觀的去強解聖經。

2. 聖靈的帶領及和神同工

       關於聖靈的帶領，祂是要我這次先踏出第一步，然後一步一步的帶領，如果我不先踏出那第一步，就不會有後面的帶領。所以這次的和神同工，就是要相信神，站在神那邊去踏出那第一步。現在我就敍述一下發生的事情，可以使你知道為什麼我會這麼說！請注意，為了隱私，我沒有將弟兄的名字說出，而是在敍述中用年長弟兄和(開放家庭的)年輕弟兄去說明。

       我是去年(2024)底因媽媽身體的緣故，突然回去台灣近三個月，因弟弟告訴我摸不到她的脈搏，就改了原訂明年才回去的機票。在這次回去的一天週日，我聽到在對門有詩歌的聲音，知道有召會的聚會，因為別的教會都是在教堂中週日聚會。因在同一年的二月左右，我回去過約九十天的時間，可是那段時間並不知道有這聚會，心想、神莫不是在給我可以給人看、醫療系統紀錄的客觀事實以後，才讓我知道有這聚會，要我給大家一個機會也可以親眼看見，而得到這客觀事實。因知道神常用偶然引導人，但不是所有的偶然都是神的引導，但也不敢輕忽，就在約一週後參加了這聚會，踏出了第一步。參加聚會後，我確定了這次真是神要我這麼做！

       首先，我本來就對召會沒有什麼好印象，照我的看見我是不應該參加這聚會的，最後我在意念中被說服的原因是，『神愛世人，…』(約翰福音 3:16) 救恩的計劃是為每一個人的，大使命是要傳給不信的人的，並要他們遵守主的道，給他們一個機會。同樣的，我相信這客觀事實不只是給我的，而是給每一個我能接觸到的人一個機會，知道有這客觀的事實。

        參加聚會後又發生了好幾件事情，我更能確定了這是神的一步一步的帶領。第一，在意念中使我知道要送給年長弟兄和年輕弟兄『2123 神用客觀的、給別人看的客觀事實顯現祂的存在』，在我做後的和年長弟兄簡短的討論以後，在意念中知道要加這一段，『當然，如果一個基督徒沒有經歷過客觀的事實，因為他現在有一個機會親自看見這客觀事實，讓他知道神用客觀的事實彰現了祂的存在，所以他也是為自己看的。』因我的醫療系統是用英文的，我以前以為只懂英文才行，在意念中我知道了又要加上一段，『即使不懂英文也沒有關係，可以用翻譯的軟體，如谷歌的，等等。』當然「2123」更新了很多次才到最後的版本，我只是選了這兩個事件顯示聖靈在這次是如何帶領這篇文章的完成。這些都是我說的主觀証據，因我不能將我的意念顯給大家看。客觀的事實則大不相同，因醫療系統的客觀紀錄是可以給每個人看的。

        另外也因參加了聚會，知道了他們常用「行政」一辭，也發覺「行政」這辭在聖經沒有，是在召會用的聖經恢復本註解裏面。因為以為年長弟兄解釋這辭是引用彼得前書 5:5，就去看了這節經文，恢復本的中文翻譯和其英文如下: 中文為『照樣，年幼的，要服從年長的；你們眾人彼此相待，也都要以謙卑束腰，因為神敵擋狂傲的人，賜恩給謙卑的人。』英文是，『In like manner, younger men, be subject to elders; and all of you gird yourselves with humility to one another, because God resists but gives grace to the humble.』不很懂英文沒有關係，我們只要知道長老(elders)這字就可以了。我真沒想到恢復本的註解是這樣說的: 『雖然原文與1節的長老同字，但這裏原則上該是指所有年長的人。』

        這節經文很明顯在講屬靈的生命，而不是在講生理上的年齡，所以用長老(elders) 這辭。這是明知故犯，明知是知道在講長老(elders)，而故犯是在註解中硬說「原則上該是指所有年長的人」。如果一個人真的是以聖經的話為依歸，是不可能有這樣註解的。神也在不同的環境中使我看到恢復本註解的錯誤，這只是其中的一個地方，也有不合邏輯的地方，所以要非常小心的分辨註解的對錯。

        另外是有一位帶詩歌的弟兄，說是神要他選一首詩歌代替他原先要選的詩歌，但這不是出自神，神是要藉著這次的事情，告訴這位弟兄，不要以為出自意念中的事一定是由神而來的。因為那詩歌是向神禱告，求神使我們不被宗教的儀式所綑挷，而他一面正在行宗教呼召的儀式。因為除召會外，沒有呼召的，早期的教會沒有，召會是由倪柝聲的聚會所而來，聚會所也沒有。神不會給人一個矛盾的訊息的。

        為了確定這位弟兄確實不能做這樣的分辨，就請他去看約伯記中提幔人以利法對約伯說的話，知不知道那靈是撒但？看不看得出那靈的話是對錯相雜？為了和他交通，我去看了恢復本的註解，知道只在引用串珠。如果你逐一看過所引用的經文，就知道那些是撒但的觀點，撒但背叛神，當然神不相信牠，而神相信天使的例子一字未提。神相信天使有相當多的例子，我現在就只舉其中三個。如『但波斯國的魔君攔阻我二十一日，忽然有大君中的一位米迦勒來幫助我，我就停留在波斯諸王那裏。』(但以理書 10:13)  又如『在天上就有了爭戰。米迦勒同他的使者與龍爭戰，龍也同牠的使者去爭戰。』(啓示錄 12:7) 再如，『天使回答說：「我是站在神面前的加百列，奉差而來對你說話，將這好信息報給你。』(路加福音 1:19) 這些都是神信任天使的例子。

      我也參加了年會，年長弟兄帶我去時，提到我不該用我和你們，從人的角度看，好像我是在把他們分別出來，的確如此，但每次都有原因。譬如，我有客觀的事實，他們沒有，在這種情況下，我不用我和你們怎麼能誠實的說這件事呢？作為基督徒的我，必須說誠實話！

        同時，他也問了我參加聚會的動機，我告訴了他。當知回來後心被激動，送給了年輕弟兄一個電子郵件，告訴他們我的動機，其中包括以上所陳述的事實，並說『請你將這訊息轉給弟兄姊妹，我在下次聚會時會帶我的計算機，如果有人要親自看這客觀的事實，我就可以顯給他們看。希望他們有耐心看完這麼長的訊息。謝謝。』也包括了，年長『弟兄告訴我下次聚會我有五分鐘的時間分享，想想還是先送出這訊息，看看到時大家的反應吧！』五分鐘怎麼夠分享客觀事實呢？沒有想到不僅沒有轉送我的電子郵件，並且臨時改變了，把要來的兩週主日聚會改成不是在年輕弟兄的家聚會。這使我想到了已告訴他們何時會回美，所以他們知道兩週後我已不再台灣了，且我也因眼睛的緣故，不可能參加最一次我能帶計算機去參加的那原訂的聚會。關於眼睛，這是另一個神的工作，當時的情況在我的見証，『2038 在海上走和相應的見証、及醫治生來是瞎子的』中，如果你有興趣的話，可以到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的網站後，按『對屬靈生命的瞭解』，找到這篇文章。

       在最後的那一週日中，我心被激動，比平常早些，就是在時間還沒有到時去參加聚會，正好碰到年輕弟兄全家要去參加那改了的聚會。就像我在事後給年輕弟兄的電子郵件所說，沒看到你的電子郵件反而和你有個簡短的分享，我以為如你姊妹所講的，你們除了年會外，都在你們家聚會，我怎麼會不想到這是臨時的改變，讓弟兄姊妹沒有機會看到客觀的事實，和面對註解會有錯誤的事情的事實。這最後的電子郵件也包括了，如果可能的話，請你把低馬的事情告訴年長弟兄！告訴年長弟兄低馬這件事，是想讓他知道，基督徒即使是如保羅同工的低馬，也是會墮落的，從他帶我去年會的對話中，我知道這是他應該知道的。最後也說了下次我回來時，就不參加他們的聚會了。再次謝謝他們。

       最後談到的是關於『2123 神用客觀的、給別人看的客觀事實顯現祂的存在』，我在回美後還有一段插曲。有一位姊妹說，『我第一次看文章後，就是這種想法，所以我沒有告訴您我的真實感受，只是很隱晦的提出了我的不認同，很抱歉。但是昨天聖靈感動我應該把真實感受告訴您。』從以上的敍述中，你應該可以看到提到的部份的確是聖靈的感動，當然還有我沒有提到的部份。她雖然沒有直接的說，我不是因聖靈的感動而寫了這篇文章，但可以從她說的話看出來，因為她說，『我相信您的本意是要榮耀神的。』

       因為她說的真實感受是對錯相雜的，不是聖靈的感動，所以我沒有把她的真實感動受說出來。但為了讓她看到這不是聖靈的感動這一點，我在  2/3/25 的更新中，只將神做的客觀事實寫出來，並在題目中將客觀的那些字拿掉，改為『2123 神用給別人看的客觀事實顯現祂的存在』，因為想這可能是她能接受的。但在事後在我送給參加專題查經的人的電子郵件中，神不同意這樣做，因為我被感動要用不肯定的語氣說，這更新只是懷疑(suspected)可能和老我有關，所以在這次準備專題查經時，我在網上改回了用舊的版本。

       關於神用客觀的這點，有人會主觀的認為這客觀的事實是別的靈做的，但因為我相信的是三位一體的神，假設是別的靈做的，那麼這靈也是要我相信這是三位一體的神做的。有人可能會說那靈是多麼的大量，願意如此這般做。因為不是聖靈就是邪靈，我不會相信有這樣的邪靈，但有人可能會主觀的如此相信。要知道，三位一體的神的存在是一個客觀的事實，客觀的事實是不會因主觀的看法而改變的。

3. 一個分辨邪靈工作的例子

       有人對我們說，他要跟我們講三個多年前聖神(聖靈)在他身上工作的事情，在他和我在電話中的談話方式，我就已經覺得有問題，於是我們就在週三(2/19/25)坐火車去了矽谷和他見面。

       和他見面後，他告訴我們的第一件事情是很久以前在被按手時，突然的向前飛出了一大段距離，然後聖神將他柔軟的頭朝下的放下。因為是柔軟放下的緣故，他相信這是聖神的工作。他同時也說到了一個相關的事情，就是一位做妻子的看到這件事情，在她的丈夫沒有希望時，雖然有反對插管的聲音，她仍然決定去插管延長她丈夫的性命，所以她可以安排為她丈夫按手並眾多人的禱告，不過類似的奇蹟並沒有發生，她的丈夫還是那次死了。

       第二件事是他在一次禱告時，覺得自己靈魂出竅，到了天國，有不可言喻的經歷。

       第三件事是一個異夢，他的解釋是聖神要他告訴別人他經歷的事情，所以他在他的教會中告訴了一百多人這三件事情。在這一百多人中，沒有人告訴他這可能會是邪靈的工作。

       為了這點，我請他看約伯記的第四章，看看他能不能看得出提幔人以利法在夢中的那靈是撒但。沒想到他說他不看聖經，我就告訴了他，如果是聖靈的工作，是不會讓人不讀聖經的，這絕對不是聖靈的工作1。我們真是要用聖經的話語作為絕對的標準去分辨。

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The Bible clearly states that when we are in faith, we will see, “…though our outer man is decaying, yet our inner man is being renewed day by day.”(2 Corinthians 4:16) This is because the Holy Spirit works in us every day and leads us forward.  Here are three examples of how the Holy Spirit has led us, with the dates of when they occurred so you know they happened recently.  Before looking at these three examples, we first note that according to past progress, we should continue to read John 16. However, when preparing, I found that apart from the first paragraph that came out a long time ago, there were really no other words. And these could not be consistent with the small topics that came out this week about the thoughts brought about by last week’s piecewise Bible study.  Knowing that the two cannot be put together, I began to think about how the Holy Spirit has led us recently, and found that these three examples should be shared.

First, we discussed the thoughts that arose from last week’s piecewise Bible study (2/16/25). To illustrate this, we explained the current process of the piecewise Bible study.  From the process of “1132 Yu Hongjie’s Discipleship of Newcomers- Unbiblical Places (2)”

discussed last week, we saw that the previous teaching that one must complete the corresponding article word for word to follow God’s will is wrong.  Basically, God has absolute sovereignty. How can we restrict God saying that You have to do this?  Of course, other problems we have seen are also described.  Second, I stayed in Taiwan for about three months and did not return until January 19 of this year (2025). In the things that happened in the last month or so, I saw how the Holy Spirit led us forward. This is also an example of how we should work with God. I will describe this matter clearly in detail.  The third is something that happened just this Wednesday (2/19/25), which tells us how to discern the work of an evil spirit.

1. Thoughts raised from last week’s piecewise Bible study

Let’s first look at the current process of piecewise Bible study. Every time we do this, we prepare slides first, as shown in previous sharing.  When sharing, the slides are the backbone, and then there may be temporary additions.  After sharing, we will have corresponding or expanded articles based on the shared videos. At this time, we will try our best to follow the sharing and complete the corresponding article part word for word. In particular, the West Coast Christian Conference (WCCC) in the United States does this, so we believe this is the right way to do it.

After sharing “1132 Yu Hongjie’s Discipleship of Newcomers- Unbiblical Places (2)” last week, when I was about to write an expanded article based on the video, I found that after adding the expanded part, it would be impossible to keep the final article short enough. This made me rethink whether my previous teachings were correct!  So I found two problems.  The first is that God has absolute sovereignty. We cannot tell God that we must do something. He can tell us His will in His own way, such as the subsequent expansion.  Of course, it is easiest for people to write it out word by word, but we must know who is the Lord!

Second, it assumes that the speaker is so spiritual that any words he can discern off the cuff are from the Holy Spirit, rather than simply permitted by God, as the book of Job states at the beginning.  In other words, assuming that the speaker’s words are the words of the Holy Spirit, I can only say that from my personal experience, this is not necessarily the case!  I saw a person who thought he was like this and only spoke what God wanted him to say. May God open his eyes!  I also discovered that the video or its corresponding article is only to convey some main concepts. As long as the concepts can be explained clearly, there is no need to write them out word for word, because doing so may contain errors that are only allowed by God. Especially when we have to add expanded parts of revelation, we don’t want to keep the final article very long.

Of course, there are some people who are so spiritual that they can immediately know what is the will of the Holy Spirit. There is such an example in the Bible.  “But an angel of the Lord spoke to Philip saying, “Get up and go south to the road that descends from Jerusalem to Gaza.” (This is a desert road.) So he got up and went; …”(Acts 8:26-27) From Acts 8:27-28, we know that a eunuch had gone up to Jerusalem to worship, and now he was back, sitting in his chariot, reading the book of the prophet Isaiah.  Then, “Then the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this chariot.” Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?””(Acts 8:29-30) After Philip explained the words and preached to the eunuch, he was baptized, and ” When they came up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord snatched Philip away; …”(Acts 8:39)

Our brief introduction to this incident is not only to say that it is possible to know the will of the Holy Spirit off the cuff, but also to emphasize a principle of Bible reading, which is, do not guess about what the Bible does not say or the concept in the Bible.  The Bible does not mention the word Trinity, but it definitely has the concept that God is a triune God.

Back to the example of Philip, someone told me that since Philip was taken away after being baptized, he was initially taken away not far from the eunuch’s chariot.  We see that the Bible does not say this. The messenger told him to go down the road to Gaza. To say this, it is to forget God’s power. He had already foreseen that if Philip immediately went on the road in the wilderness, he would just happen to see the eunuch’s chariot.  The scripture does not use the word “immediately”, why do we say this?  Philip was a man full of the Holy Spirit, as the scripture says, “The statement found approval with the whole congregation; and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, …”(Acts 6:5) Philip knew “Do not quench the Spirit.”(1 Thessalonians 5:19) There is this immediate concept in faith, as the text says, “Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks.”(Luke 12:36) 

If Philip was snatched on the way coming, we won’t see his faith to  immediately obey to the guidance of the Holy Spirit.  And if he was snatched on the way coming, why didn’t the Holy Spirit take him directly to the chariot instead of making Philip run?  Some people speculated that such a direct rapture would scare the eunuchs. This is not mentioned in the Bible and there is no such concept. Do not interpret the Bible subjectively.

2. The guidance of the Holy Spirit and working with God

Regarding the guidance of the Holy Spirit, He wants me to take the first step this time, and then lead me step by step. If I don’t take the first step, there will be no guidance later.  Therefore, to work with God this time, I must believe in God, stand on God’s side and take the first step.  Now I will tell you what happened and you will know why I say so!  Please note that for privacy reasons, I have not named the brothers, but have used older brothers and younger brothers (by opening his house for gathering) in the narrative.

At the end of last year (2024), I suddenly went back to Taiwan for nearly three months due to my mother’s health. Because my brother told me that he couldn’t feel her pulse, I changed my flight ticket that was originally scheduled to return next year.  On one Sunday of this visit, I heard hymns singing next door and knew there was a meeting of Local particular Churches (地方教會的召會) there, because other churches held their meetings in the church on Sundays.  Around February of the same year, I went back for about ninety days, but I didn’t know about this meeting during that time. I thought, maybe God let me know about this meeting after showing me the objective facts recorded in the medical system that I could show others, and wanted me to give everyone I could meet a chance to see it with their own eyes and obtain this objective fact.  Because I knew that God often uses coincidences to guide people, but not all coincidences are God’s guidance, I did not dare to take it lightly, so I attended this meeting about a week later and took the first step.  After attending the meeting, I was sure that this was really what God wanted me to do!

First of all, I did not have a good impression of the church. In my opinion, I should not attend this meeting. In the end, I was convinced in my mind because this verse, “For God so loved the world, …”(John 3:16) The plan of salvation is for everyone, and the Great Commission is to preach to unbelievers and ask them to obey the Lord’s word. In other words, give everyone a chance.  Similarly, I believe that this objective fact is not just given to me, but to give everyone I can come into contact with an opportunity to know the existence of this objective fact.

After attending the meeting, several things happened, and I became more certain that this was God’s step-by-step guidance.  First, I knew in my mind that I should send this to the older and younger brothers: “1123 God reveals His existence through objective facts that are visible to others.”  After I did it and had a brief discussion with the older brother in the meeting, I knew in my mind that I should add this paragraph: “But if a Christian has not experienced objective facts, and now has an opportunity to see these objective facts for himself, so that he knows that God has indeed used objective facts to demonstrate His existence. In this case, he is also doing this for himself.” Because my medical system is in English, I used to think that it had to require the other person knowing English. In my mind I knew that I had to add another paragraph, “Even if you don’t understand English, it doesn’t matter. You can use translation software to instantly translate it into any language that can be translated by the software.” Of course, “1123” was updated many times before it reached the final version. I just chose these two events to show how the Holy Spirit led the completion of this article this time.  These are all subjective evidences I mentioned, because I cannot show what in my mind to anyone.  The objective facts are quite different, because the objective records of the medical system are available to everyone.

In addition, through attending the meetings, I learned that they often use the word “administration.” I also discovered that the word “administration” they use does not appear in the Bible, but is in the annotations of the Recovery Version of the Bible used by the church.  Because I thought the older brother interpreted this word by quoting 1 Peter 5:5, I went to look at this verse. The Chinese translation of the Recovery Version and its English version are as follows: The English version is “In like manner, younger men, be subject to elders; and all of you gird yourselves with humility to one another, because God resists but gives grace to the humble.” If you don’t know the Chinese, it is ok since only the word “elders” will be considered. The word “elders” is called “長老” in Chinese. I’ll put the Chinese translation completely for the sake of completeness. So the Chinese version is “照樣，年幼的，要服從『年長的(older people)』；你們眾人彼此相待，也都要以謙卑束腰，因為神敵擋狂傲的人，賜恩給謙卑的人。” I never expected the Recovery Version’s annotation in English to say this: “Although the original text uses the same word for elders as in verse 1, in principle this should refer to all older people.”

This verse is clearly talking about spiritual life rather than physical age, so the word elders is used.  This is a deliberate violation. The deliberate violation is that one knows that the author is talking about elders, and the deliberate violation is that one insists in the annotation that “in principle, it should refer to all older people.”  If a person truly relies on the words of the Bible, it would be impossible to have such annotations.  God has also made me see the errors in the annotations of the Recovery Edition in different circumstances. This is just one of them. There are also illogical parts, so we must be very careful to distinguish the right from the wrong of the annotations.

There was also a brother who was leading the hymn singing and said that God asked him to choose a hymn to replace the one he originally wanted to choose, but this did not come from God. God wanted to use this incident to tell this brother not to think that things that come from one’s mind must come from God. Why? Because that song is a prayer to God, asking God to free us from being bound by religious rituals, while He is performing the rituals of religious shouting in songs and public prayers.  Because apart from the church, there is no such shouting. The early church did not have that. The church originated from Watchman Nee, where this church comes from, did not have that either.  God will not give people a contradictory message.

In order to confirm that this brother was indeed unable to make such a discernment, I asked him to read what Eliphaz the Temanite said to Job in the Book of Job (see Job 4:12-21). I also asked him if he knew that the spirit was Satan. Can you see that the words of the Spirit are a mixture of right and wrong?  In order to communicate with him, I looked at the notes in the Recovery Version and found that it was only quoting the beads.  If you look at the scriptures cited one by one, you will know that those are Satan’s views. Satan rebelled against God, and of course God did not believe him. There is no mention of God believing in angels.  

There are quite a few examples of God believing in angels, and I will just mention three of them now.  For example, “But the prince of the kingdom of Persia was withstanding me for twenty-one days; then behold, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, for I had been left there with the kings of Persia.”(Daniel 10:13) Also, “And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war.”(Revelation 12:7) Another example is, “The angel answered and said to him, “I am Gabriel, who stands in the presence of God, and I have been sent to speak to you and to bring you this good news.”(Luke 1:19) These are all examples of God’s trust in angels.

I also attended the annual meeting. When the older brother took me there, he mentioned that I should not use “I” and “you”. From a human perspective, it seemed as if I was separating them. It was true, but there was always a reason every time in such a usage.  For example, I have objective facts and they don’t. In this case, how can I honestly talk about this matter with them?  As a Christian, I must tell the truth!

At the same time, he also asked me about my motivation for attending the meeting, and I told him.  When I came back, I was stimulated to send an email to the young brother, telling him my motives, including the facts stated above, and the statement in Chinese, “Please forward this message to the brothers and sisters. I will bring my computer to the next meeting, and if anyone wants to see this objective fact in person, I can show it to them.  I hope they have the patience to read such a long message.  Thanks.” It was also told by the older brother that I had five minutes to share at the next meeting. After thinking about it, I decided to send out this message first and see everyone’s reaction!  How can five minutes be enough to share objective facts?  I didn’t expect that not only did they not forward my email, but they also made a temporary change and moved the Sunday meetings in the next two weeks to be held at a different location than the young brother’s home.  This reminded me that I had told them when I would be returning to the US, so they knew that I would no longer be in Taiwan in two weeks, and that because of my eyesight, I would not be able to attend the last meeting I had scheduled by bringing my computer.  Regarding the eyes, this is another work of God. The situation at that time is in my testimony, “1038 Walking on the sea with a testimony, and healing a born blind.” If you are interested, you can go to the website “https://a-christian-voice.com/” and click “Understanding of Spiritual Life” to find this article.

On the last Sunday I could attend the meeting, my heart was stimulated, and I went to the meeting earlier than usual, before the time even came. I happened to meet the young brother when he was going to attend the changed meeting.  Just as I said in my email in Chinese to the young brother afterwards, “I didn’t see your email but I got the chance to share with you briefly. I thought that as your wife said, you all met at your home except for the annual meeting.” How could I not think that this was a temporary change, which prevented the brothers and sisters from seeing the objective facts and from facing the fact that annotations could be wrong.  This last email also includes, “if possible, please tell the older brothers about Demas!” I told the older brother about this matter to correct his viewpoint because I wanted him to know that even Christians like Paul’s co-worker can fall. From the conversation I had with him when he gave me the ride to annual meeting, I knew that this was something he should know.  Finally, I also said that next time I come back, I will not attend their meeting.  Thank them again.

The last thing we talked about ‘1123’ after I returned to the United States is the episode below.  A sister sent me an email in Chinese said, “I had the same thought after I read the article for the first time, so I didn’t tell you my true feelings. I just expressed my disagreement in a very subtle way. I’m sorry.  But yesterday the Holy Spirit inspired me to tell you my true feelings.” This was not due to the Holy Spirit. Why? Since part was right and the other part wrong. To This is the Satan’s signature. From the above  description I stated earlier, one should be able to see that the mentioned parts are indeed due to the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, and of course there are also parts that I did not mention them.  Although she did not directly say that I did not write this article under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, it can be seen from what she said, because she said, “I believe your original intention is to glorify God.”

Because her true feelings were a mixture of right and wrong, and were not the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, I did not express her true feelings.  But in order to let her see that this was not the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in the update on 2/3/25, I only wrote out the objective facts done by God at that time, because I thought this might be something she could accept.  But later in the email I sent to those who were participating in the piecewise Bible study, God did not agree with this, because I was moved to say in an uncertain tone that this update was only suspected to be related to my old self, so when preparing for this piecewise Bible study, I changed back to the old version online.

Regarding this objective fact from God, some people will subjectively think that this objective fact was done by another spirit. Because I believe in the God of the Trinity, if it was done by another spirit, then this spirit also wanted me to believe that it was done by the God of the Trinity.  Someone might say how magnanimous the spirit is, willing to do such and such.  Because it is due to either the Holy Spirit or the evil spirit. I don’t believe the existence of such evil spirits, but some people may believe so subjectively.  You must know that the existence of the Triune God is an objective fact, and the objective fact will not be changed due to subjective views.

3. An example of discerning the work of evil spirits

Someone told us that he wanted to tell us there things about the work of the Holy Spirit in him many years ago in different periods. I felt that there was something wrong with the way he talked to me on the phone, so we took a train to Silicon Valley on Wednesday (2/19/25) to meet him.

After meeting him, the first thing he told us was that a long time ago when he was laid hands on, he suddenly flew forward a long distance, and then the Holy Spirit put him down softly with face downwards.  Because he was put down so gentle, he believed that this was the work of the Holy Spirit.  He also talked about a related incident, in which someone’s wife saw this incident. When her husband had no hope, she still decided to have him intubated to prolong his life, despite the opposition to intubation. By this way, she could arrange for the laying on of hands on her dying husband and also for many people to pray,l. But a similar miracle did not happen and her husband died anyway.

The second thing was that during one of his prayers, he felt his soul leave his body and go to heaven, where he had an indescribable experience.

The third thing was a dream. His interpretation was that the Holy Spirit wanted him to tell others what he had experienced, so he told more than a hundred people in his church about these three things.  Among these more than one hundred people, no one told him that this might be the work of evil spirits, pretending to be angel of light.

To find out if he could discern, I asked him to look at the fourth chapter of the Book of Job to see if he could recognize that the spirit in Eliphaz the Temanite’s dream was Satan.  Unexpectedly, he said that he didn’t read the Bible, so I told him that if it was the work of the Holy Spirit, it would not make people stop reading the Bible. This is definitely not the work of the Holy Spirit.  We really need to use the words of the Bible as the absolute standard for discernment.

(Verses refer to those in NASB95 unless otherwise specified.)

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更正: 只有三位一体的神是绝对客观的。这里是假设医疗系统没有错，所以这是客观的事实。在一般的情况下，这假设是没错的，但在特殊的情况下，也有会作假的医生。     

    一般的见证都是都有一些不能显给别人看的地方，譬如说，有某个经文出现在我的意念中，我在异梦或异像中看见，所以这些都是在说我们所谓的主观证据。而三位一体的神已用一个医疗系统的客观纪录，毋庸置疑的彰显出祂的存在，也就是我们所谓的客观事实。如果一个非基督亲眼看见这纪录，就解决了他一个最基本的关于神存不存在的问题。也许是我的学识浅薄，据我所知，其他宗教所谓的神，都有超自然事情的记录，但唯有我们这三位一体的『神用客观的、给别人看的客观事实显现祂的存在』。如果你知道有别的所谓的神有这样的事情，请告诉我。谢谢。其实即使人知道神用客观事实彰显出祂的存在以后，人有自由意志，可以做任何决定，包括虽知道有客观事实这点，仍可否认三位一体的神的存在。我这样说，是因为我曾遇过到过一个非基督徒告诉我，即使有客观事实，如果和这人想得不一样，这人是看都不愿意看的，我们可看到， 个人的决定是勉强不得的！

    如果一个基督徒要行大使命中的传福音，告诉非基督这是他亲眼看见的客观事实，且更有可能变成那个非基督徒有和他相同的客观事实，这样更能令人信服，在这种情况下基督徒是为别人而亲眼去看的。但如果一个基督徒没有经历过客观事实，而他现在有一个机会让他亲自看见这客观事实，让他知道神的确用客观事实彰现了祂的存在，在这种情况下，他也是为自己看的。即使不懂英文也没有关系，可以用翻译的软体作即时翻译成任何软体做得到的语言。如果你想亲自看而不会这样做，只要你有手机，我就会用谷歌作为一个即时翻译英文成中文的例子，另外告诉你可如何做。所以这客观事实是世界性的，基本上会任何语言都可得到。

     就我所知，三位一体的神在约二千来都没有做过这样的客观事实。我们就先举出我经历过的一个不常见的主观证据的例子，然后叙述这客观事实，最后说明如何能使你亲眼看见这客观事实。     

    就像以前的文章一样，这篇文章是基于在油管(YouTube)上分享的专题查经，所以我们在开始时有简短的诗歌敬拜，这次我们是唱了有关超过所求所想的事的诗歌。关于超过所求和所想的事情，这两者是不一样的，如果我们连想都不能想到，怎么能求呢？要能求，必须先要能想到，不能是超过所想的事情！譬如说，我们会在祷告中求神医治我们，神常常作出超过我们所求的医治，所以病得痊愈绝不是超过我们所想的事情。也就是说，如果你举一个现在发生的事情作例子，那例子就是你能想到的，怎么会是超过你所想的？在逻辑上一般是行不通的，除非发生的事情是犹如耶稣告诉门徒说，祂会死里复活，门徒当时不信，是因为超过他们那时所想的，一直到门徒真正的看到耶稣复活，才相信了这话，所以耶稣那时是告诉门徒一个超过他们所想的事情。且门徒在祂复活后亲自看到祂升到天上 (参使徒行传 1:1-9)，才会相信耶稣说的另一个预言，『…他们要看见人子有能力，有大荣耀，驾著天上的云降临。』(马太福音 24:30) 所以祂复活以后是永远活著的。

    我们刚才分享过，一般的见证都是主观证据，都会有一些不能显示给别人看的部份，但那些对那人都是很真实的，所以我们会称之为主观证据。三位一体的神有一次使我经历过一次超过我想的事情，我原先本是不知道这件事，直到经历和妻子做的试验后，才确实知道了这事。起初也试著和别人分享这事，最后同意一位弟兄所说的，这不造就人，因为别人不知道我在说什么！据我所知，在文献中是不可能有这样的事情的，因为以现在的科技，至少有一部份是人做不到的。我现在就举一个在文献中报导过，所以可以和别人分享，但却是大部份人都不知道我在说什么的例子，来说明另一类的主观证据。        

    这例子是和我现在的眼睛有的双重影像有关，如果你不知道什么是双重影像，我就先解释一下它的基本概念。就是我们有两只眼睛，因此左右眼都可以看到一个两度空间的影像，这两个两度空间的影像会在脑中合而为一，使正常的人最终看到的是一个三度空间的立体影像。对一个有双重影像的人来说，他的两个影像不能在脑中合成一个三度空间的立体影像，所以他看到一个东西是两个两度空间分开的个别影像，也就是双重影像。        

    我是个有双重影像的人，如果我的左手横伸出去的时候，我只看到一个手，但当我右手横伸出去的时候，我会看到两只手，一个是从左眼而来的影像，而另一个从右眼而来，因为在右边，所以只要我一眨左眼，就知道那个是从右眼而来对的影像。然后脑能做使人讶异的事情，因为错的影像会逐渐消失，只剩下由右眼而来的一只手。你看不到我说的两只手，因为正常人本就是会看到一只手，虽然你相信我不在说谎，但你会很难真正相信我真看到了右边有两只手，因为你看不到。

    关于在文献中报导过这事，我儿子是验光的医生，他确认了他在学校时学过这事，所以我知道在文献中报导过，能够分享。重点是在说，这是属于主观证据，我看到了但你看不到，会很难真正的相信。这和信仰有一点类似，所以信仰是很难的，基督徒是要:『你们虽然没有见过他(耶稣)，却是爱他；如今虽不得看见，却因信他就有说不出来、满有荣光的大喜乐，并且得著你们信心的果效，就是(灵)魂的救恩。』(彼得前书 1:8-9) 请注意，原文只有魂这个字，没有灵字。尤其是，『人心比万物都诡诈，坏到极处，谁能识透呢？』(耶利米书 17:9) 人真的会自己欺骗自己的！我知道这是真实的，因为我有过这样的经验。所以我们真该如彼得所说，『务要谨守、警醒，因为你们的仇敌魔鬼，如同吼叫的狮子，遍地游行，寻找可吞吃的人。』(彼得前书 5:8) 不要落入仇敌的手中。       

    我今天要分享的是超过我想的客观事实，详情如后。如果你生病时会去找医生治疗，需要动手术时也如此，那么这篇文章就是为你写的，告诉你神的存在是可由能给别人看的客观事实来证明。也就是从人和从神角度看，都是客观事实和存在，而非内心的感动或相信。           

    这样的客观事实可以从我遭遇的事情看见。在网路上的UCDavis医疗系统的MyChart，11/27/23纪录了我和那时的家庭医生对话，说我可以吃降血药Losarton半颗，但要保持另一种降血压药Metoprolol的剂量相同，所以那时我是吃两种降血压药的。

    MyChart的纪录显示，我现在没有吃任何降血压药，并在1/9/25纪录了我送给我现在医生的最近的血压纪录中，从 3/5/24 到1/9/25，一点高血压的问题也没有。           

    一件事情的发生，不是人做的，就是灵界做的！既然这样高血压的治疗不是人能做的，因此一定是灵界做的。在灵界中不是属神的，就是属撒但的，因为我们知道撒但不会这样做，所以一定是属神的！所以说，神用在一个医疗系统中纪录的客观的事实，彰显了祂的存在。           

    如果你认为医疗系统所纪录的是客观的事实，则会没有任何疑虑的相信我所经历的这事是客观的事实，因在逻辑上只有这可能性。如果你主观的相信，医疗系统纪录的不见得对，不相信医疗系统的纪录，这样你就不会达到同样的结论！所以有这样对医疗系统的信心是我们的前提，有了这样对医疗系统的信心，我们才会看到神借著医疗系统所纪录的客观事实，彰显出祂的存在。           

    你现在可以看到我碰到的事是这样的客观事实吗？如果你知道我所碰到的是客观的事实，你有没有兴趣亲自看MyChart中所纪录的，把我的客观的事实，也变为你的客观的事实？所以对你来说，这是不能给人看但属于你的客观事实。我必须强调，你得亲自看见才会成为你的客观的事实，要不，你只是主观的相信我说的是事实。           

    神的确在有网路前没有这样做过，有网路后才有可能透过网路的医疗系统、让人亲自看见能给人看的客观事实。至于三位一体的神在有网路后是否这样做过，我只能说我不知道，如果你知道这样的事情请告诉我。启示不只是会用超自然的方式在意念中告诉我们，神也常用别人的话启示我们，如保罗见过大光后神是要亚拿尼亚告诉他一些事情 (参使徒行传 9:1-18)。我本来不想把这客观事实放在油管和网路上，因为你在网路上看到的仍是主观证据，因你要主观的相信我没有说谎。因我曾因别人的话得到启示过，我真的不知道这次神会不会用我的分享去启示你看到已做在你身上的事情，就像我起先并不知道这客观事实一样，直到在意念中被启示唤醒。真的很希望神已在别人身上，做过这样类似的客观事实。           

    请注意，即使你亲自看见，我们有的客观事实仍有所不同。你所有的客观事实不能变为别人的客观事实，因为你不能登入我的 MyChart。我这样说是因为我知道有人动手术拿掉脑瘤后没有吃药，这样的不吃药的治疗不是人能做的。不过就算是这人可以有纸上的纪录显示出他所说的一切话，但别人仍必须相信他的纪录不是假造的，相信他说的话，也就是说，那人经历了的是不能客观的显给别人看的客观事实。           

    为了达到亲眼见的这个目的，我会登录进入我的MyChart，使你能够亲眼看到这客观事实的所有纪录。我们知道，一般有主观证据的见证，从神的角度看也是客观事实，因为祂已经做了这事。但从人的角度看，是主观证据，会有不能显示给别人看到的部份，如刚才提到的某人说: 在意念中我有某些话，或在异梦中看到了一些事情，等等。以上所说的 MyChart 的纪录，是从人的角度看，也是客观事实， 所以可显给非基督徒看，证明神的存在，解决他们的一个基本的问题。如果一个非基督徒不相信圣经的话只用纯粹的逻辑，就会得到不可知论的结论。在这里我只是说，他们亲自来看只是解决了他们的一个基本的问题，他们也不会立刻因只有这一个客观事实而信主，个人的决定是勉强不得的。已经有一个非基督徒也这样做了，只是希望有一天他能想到这对他的影响，知道神确实存在，这已经是善莫大焉了！           

    请注意，大使命是说，『…你们要去，使万民作我的门徒，奉父、子、圣灵的名给他们施洗。凡我所吩咐你们的，都教训他们遵守，…』(马太福音 28:19-20，和合本)  许多教会也是照这经文在做。其实大使命依照圣经是在说，『…奉耶稣基督的名受洗，…』(使徒行传 2:38) 保罗也知道要奉主耶稣的名受洗，『因为圣灵还没有降在他们一个人身上，他们只奉主耶稣的名受了洗。于是使徒按手在他们头上，他们就受了圣灵。』(使徒行传 8:16-17) 然后是和合本的另译，『给他们施洗，归于父、子、圣灵的名』。所以大使命的要求是我们必须传讲，教训他们遵守，但一个人有自由意志，决定权在个人。那要怎么能让人遵守呢？就是要以身作则，如圣经所说，『有了我(耶稣)的命令又遵守的，这人就是爱我的；爱我的必蒙我父爱他，我也要爱他，并且要向他显现。』(约翰福音 14:21)    

    难怪有些教会基于这节经文，『人点灯，不放在斗底下，是放在灯台上，就照亮一家的人。』(马太福音 5:15) 要人做光做盐。这本是好的，但常忘了下一句，『你们的光也当这样照在人前，叫他们看见你们的好行为，便将荣耀归给你们在天上的父。』(马太福音 5:16) 要有好行为才行，不是口说而已！更忘了，即使灯放在斗底下，仍会发光，因为灯本就有发光的生命。基督徒读经的目的，本是要得著生命，这就是耶稣说的，『你们查考圣经，因你们以为内中有永生；给我作见证的就是这经。然而你们不肯到我这里来得生命。』(约翰福音 5:39-40) 生命只能从神来，就像经文所说，『我(保罗)栽种了，亚波罗浇灌了，惟有神叫他生长。可见栽种的算不得甚么，浇灌的也算不得甚么，只在那叫他生长的神。』(哥林多前书 3:6-7)  别人最多只能增加你的知识，带领你到神面前，要知道，『…不要受师尊的称呼，因为只有一位是你们的师尊，就是基督。』(马太福音 23:10)        

    请注意，现在你能够在网路上看见的仍是一般的见证，因为你必须相信我说的是真的，除非你亲自看见这客观事实，才会变为你的客观事实。也就是因为这个放在网上反正是一般见证的原因，我本来是不想放在网路上的，但想到我自己本也是不知道，直到在意念中告诉我，而我以前也常因别人的话得到启示，因我不能确定三位一体的神是不是要借著我的分享去启示他人，最终还是改变了主意，希望有人得著启示或能亲自看见。有人会认为这事是撒但装作光明的天使而来，这人是真的很难相信神有绝对主权，可以选择自己要如何显现都行。我知道这是从神来的，因为以前经历过一些有多于自己一人知道的预知的事情，这是撤但和牠的差役所不能做的。这次也相同，也有多于自己一人的相信这是客观事实。也是这一次，我真正了解了为什么在耶稣道成肉身的期间中，祂行了这么多的神迹，犹太人仍然不相信祂，最终反将祂钉在十字架上！我们的心常和他们一样，是多么的刚硬啊！        

    另外一件令人鼓舞的事情和大家分享，就是有一位学纯数学的非基督徒博士看到以前的一个版本中告诉我们，在圣经的话语作前提下，从她以前所听到的见证中，都可以找到逻辑上的错误，就是都有主观证据，唯有这一次她找不到，所以决定亲自来看这客观事实，且已经看了。其实不只是非基督徒亲自看了，也有些基督徒亲自看了，只是到目前为止，两者加起来，显示出不是有很多人愿意这样做！        

    就像我在大使命中所理解的，神允许用近日的环境来告诉我，我的生命够不上我所得到的，因有别人介入，我就不多分享这环境是指什么了！但至少我可以传讲三位一体的神做了这样的一件事，所以请大家告诉大家，我到1/18/25前都会在新竹，之后我会回到美国靠近沙加缅度(Sacramento)住的地方，所以你可以估量有多远、和愿意付多少代价来亲自看这客观事实。如果你想亲自看见，可以和我用 email  联络，我联络的地址在我的网站  https://a-christian-voice.com/  的首页中。如果是多于一人同时要亲自看见，也没有问题，以前我是一个一个来，现在我知道可以将电视作为计算机的银幕，我在计算机做的事情可以让多人在电视上同时看到。

    如果你决定要到我这里来亲自看，请先答应我要保持我的匿名。保持匿名的原因很简单，碰到这样的事太容易骄傲了，至少匿名应可能可以减少一个骄傲的原因。你可以讲这客观的事实给别人听或甚至书写，但对他们而言仍是和一般的见证无异，也就最多是主观相信你的话的主观证据。除非这人有机会见到我而想变成他的客观事实，我就必须见他而将 MyChart  的纪录显给他看。在这种情况下，请不必告诉他我的名字，但请知会我一声他叫什么名字和联络方法，何时会来，当然能陪他来最好。这是我能想到能保持我匿名，而变为他的客观事实的最好方法，我也会这样告诉他这要求。           

    如果你不小心泄露了我的名字，不必担心，我会这样说是因为有一次，有一位弟兄承诺不要把我当时的情况说出去，但这位弟兄很好心的为我的情况祷告神，正好我的妻子在那祷告中。如果为这样不小心的事情打破了承诺，只要在神面前悔改就可以了，因经文说得很清楚，『我们若认自己的罪，神是信实的，是公义的，必要赦免我们的罪，洗净我们一切的不义。』(约翰一书 1:9) 告不告诉我都无所谓。       

    最后，我要以讨论三位一体作为结束，因为我们提到三位一体的神多次，而基督徒相信的是三位一体的神，这是非常重要的概念，所以我们借这机会，简单的说明一下这概念。三位一体的神是说神只有一位，但有三个不同的位格，就是父神耶和华、子神耶稣、和圣灵。耶和华是神，耶稣是神，圣灵也是神，所以只有一位神，而这三位在创世以前就是以爱为连接，但三位各有所司，譬如说，在耶稣道成肉身的那段时间里有一个次序，父差遣子，子不去，圣灵不来(参约翰福音 20:21, 16:7)。关于只有一位神这点，我们来看创世记的经文是怎么说的，『神(H430, 复数)说：「我们要照著我们的形像，按著我们的样式造人，…神就照著自己的形像造(created, H1254, 单数)人，乃是照著他的形像造男造女。』(创世记 1:26-27)  名词是复数，而动词是单数，所以这里是说了神是多位一体的唯一的神。        

    父神是神，这是无可置疑的。圣经说，『太初有道，道与神同在，道就是神。这道太初与神同在。』(约翰福音 1:1-2) 这道是指耶稣，因耶稣自己说，『父啊，现在求你使我同你享荣耀，就是未有世界以先，我同你所有的荣耀。』(约翰福音 17:5) 这就是讲的起初在未有世界以先，所以耶稣本质就是神。在祂道成肉身的那段时间，神自己说祂是神的儿子(参马太福音 3:16-17)，是基督(参马太福音 16:16-17)，连鬼也知道这点(参路加福音 4:41)，那时祂是完全的人，因祂『…虚己，取了奴仆的形像，成为人的样式。』(腓立比书 2:7) 因祂的本质是神，所以也是完全的神，就像一个王子沦落为乞丐，仍是王子，因王子的身份是与生俱来的，不会因沦落为乞丐就失去王子的本质。简言之，耶稣是神。最后我们看圣灵也是神这一点，经文写道：『彼得说：「亚拿尼亚，为甚么撒但充满了你的心，叫你欺哄圣灵，…你不是欺哄人，是欺哄神了！」』 (使徒行传 5:3-4)   所以圣灵也是神。三位一体的神对基督徒而言仍是奥秘，不能完全了解的，至少我们不知神怎么能成为如此，基督徒只能用信心接受！

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Correction: Regarding tithing. This is just one instance of the Holy Spirit’s guidance in my understanding of the true meaning of tithing. I recounted the entire five-fold process in “1142 True meaning of tithing and don’t acknowledge Satan as father.” I haven’t updated the individual parts of the corresponding articles or on YouTube. Instead, I’ve included the corrected version of “1142” and preserved the process, hoping others won’t make the same mistake I did. The rest of the content is fine. Thank you.

Because I really wanted to see that God grants a revival to Brother Yu’s church, I met with him in the church for about an hour. We basically talked about four things. I will use the second to fifth sections to talk about these four things, describing what the Bible says and some of his responses that I remember.  Someone told me that he had read the article, “1096 Yu Hongjie’s Discipleship of Newself – Unbiblical Places (1)” in Chinese, but he did not see the mistakes the book made mentioned in the article. I guess that person did not read the second half carefully at that time, because in “3. There is a big difference between looking at things from a human perspective and looking at things from a divine perspective,” we talked about the mistakes made at the beginning.  The arrangement of that article is to talk about the correct concept first, and in the process of deriving the correct concept, we will see quite clearly where the mistakes are.  In “Unbiblical Places (1)”, I mainly discussed the definition of sin. This definition is consistent from the perspective of the present world and the previous world. In fact, I have been trying to avoid pointing out a common mistake in that class. I think that the time has come and I can no longer avoid it, so I’ll discuss this point at the end.

First, let me talk about how I got to know Brother Yu in the Lord, and we also discuss some related matters in this article.  In the second one, he once again confirmed the importance of discerning whether it is right or wrong about when feeling the work of the Holy Spirit in one’s mind.  Third, we discussed whether Adam had a share in holiness when he was created. He believed that he had no share, but the Bible says that he did. If a person believes that he had no share, he will see that there is a logical problem.  Fourth, we discussed what it means things being beyond all that we ask or think, and found that many of the examples basically have logical problems, except for those who have actually experienced situations that truly exceeded one’s expectations.  Fifth, we discussed the true meaning of tithing. From the perspective that “what God tells us through the Bible is consistent,” we know that the message of the Bible is not ambiguous about tithing in the era of New Testament.  Finally, a common mistake is pointed out, which is also made by the book in its definition of sin.

1. How to know Yu Hongjie in the Lord

I remember that many years ago a sister sent us a device called Faith, Hope and Love F166, which has only audio. It contains a sermon from a special conference in China that Yu Hongjie started his sermons on August 13th, 2001.  Before this, I had never heard of Yu Hongjie’s name. While I was listening to his audios, a thought in my mind asked me if there was anything wrong in the talk. I answered very honestly in my mind that there was nothing wrong to me. Then, I don’t know when, I stopped listening to his audio before I finished it.  Listening to the same audio again now, I can tell that there are indeed something in his sermon at that time that are inconsistent with the Bible.

Later, after listening to some of his sermons online, I learned that the church he pastored was in Silicon Valley, and I also knew how much he hoped that God would grant their church a revival.  This church is indeed the one, among all the churches God has led me to, which pursues the Lord the most. I really hope to see God grant this church a revival. However, judging by the current direction of the church, it is not yet at the level of revival. This is not a judgment, but a discernment based on the words of the Bible.  Why do I say so?  Because at least the church needs to be able to teach according to the Bible by correcting some errors, such as the definition of sin mentioned in “1096 Yu Hongjie’s Discipleship of Newcomers- Unbiblical Places (1).”

The most important thing is to repeatedly emphasize that the purpose of reading the Bible is to have life, and life can only come from God. Do not extinguish the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Let the Holy Spirit guide your Bible study so as not to interprete wrongly the Bible. Even without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, that is, when the Holy Spirit wants you to take the first step, you must still stand on God’s side. In this case, even if you make mistakes, the Holy Spirit will correct you. In other words, this is a learning process, learning how to understand the will of the Holy Spirit.  No one is a Christian from birth, and similarly, no one can fully know the will of the Holy Spirit after believing and being baptized.

Please note that this does not mean that you always have to take the first step, but it is not like some teachings say that you cannot take the first step without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. The question is ‘how do you know that it is not the Holy Spirit waiting for you to take the first step?’  Anyway, you still have to be quite sure in all aspects that it is the Holy Spirit who wants you to take the first step before you take the first step. At least afterwards you can know whether it is the Holy Spirit who wants you to take that first step.  Because the Book of Deuteronomy says very clearly, “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.”(Deuteronomy 18:22) If the future events you are about to experience are from God, they will definitely come to be true, so this is a learning process.  If you make a mistake, you can look back and see where the mistake was.

These are what the scriptures say, and some relevant scriptures are quoted below.  Regarding the purpose of reading the Bible is to have life: “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.”(John 5:39-40)

About life that can only come from God: “I (Paul) planted, Apollos watered, but God was causing the growth. So then neither the one who plants nor the one who waters is anything, but God who causes the growth.”(1 Corinthians 3:6-7)

Regarding the guidance of the Holy Spirit: “Do not quench the Spirit.”(1 Thessalonians 5:19)

About not wrongly interpreting the Bible: “…our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.”(2 Peter 3:15-16)

About the Holy Spirit asking you to take the first step: Isaiah said in the Old Testament, “Although the Lord has given you bread of privation and water of oppression, He, your Teacher will no longer hide Himself, but your eyes will behold your Teacher. Your ears will hear a word behind you, “This is the way, walk in it,” whenever you turn to the right or to the left.”(Isaiah 30:20-21) When you take the first step and make a mistake, your teacher is behind you and tells you the right direction only afterward.

One such instance in the New Testament is recorded in the book of Acts, “They (Paul and Silas) passed through the Phrygian and Galatian region, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia; and after they came to Mysia, they were trying to go into Bithynia, and the Spirit of Jesus did not permit them; and passing by Mysia, they came down to Troas. A vision appeared to Paul in the night: a man of Macedonia was standing and appealing to him, and saying, “Come over to Macedonia and help us.” When he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go into Macedonia, concluding that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.”(Acts 16:6-10) You see, didn’t they take the first wrong step, and then the Holy Spirit led them?  Once again we see what God tells us through the Bible is consistent. In this case, what in both Old Testament and New Testament is consistent.

You know, “He made known His ways to Moses, His acts to the sons of Israel.”(Psalm 103:7) We must emphasize the ways of the Bible and not be like the Israelites at that time. When God was working, everyone seemed to have great faith, but when God stopped working, they did not know what to do.  Because the Bible is inspired by God, we believe that “what God tells us through the Bible is consistent.” Without discounting the words of the Bible, we will find how consistent the Bible is with logical principles.  We have shared before that the principles of logic can be divided into two parts, namely axioms (facts that are acceptable to everyone in a certain field and are valid even for an unlimited period of time) plus objective logical deductions.  If this principle is applied to individuals, axioms do not refer to what is accepted by the public, but to personal views, which will change with time and experience.  It should be noted that logical deduction is objective and applies everywhere.  Regarding this point, we discussed why the Bible has obviously contradictory revelations in “1111 The True Meaning of Biblical Inerrancy.” Please go to the website “https://a-christian-voice.com/” and click on “Understanding of Spiritual Life” to find this article.  Thanks.

If everyone in the church can be united with God, the church can have true unity, that is, it can achieve what Paul said, “make my joy complete by being of the same mind, maintaining the same love, united in spirit, intent on one purpose.”(Philippians 2:2) This is because those are only the same as what Jesus has due to the unity with Him. Of course, everyone has different role in the church, “For even as the body is one and yet has many members, and all the members of the body, though they are many, are one body, so also is Christ.”(1 Corinthians 12:12) We also see that there is only one Church of God, the gathering of all those who have accepted the Triune God, and it does not refer to different buildings on earth.  We see, “But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired.”(1 Corinthians 12:18) It is clear that God is an absolutely sovereign God.

How I hoped that this church could be revived. I felt a burden to communicate with Brother Yu about how it could possibly reach the level of revival. It was because of this burden that we met for the only time in his church.  Here, I would like to mention the process of agreeing a time with him.  In order to maintain my anonymity, I first sent an email to the church’s office secretary, asking only to talk to him on the phone. As I did not receive a reply, I had to go to the church in person to arrange a meeting time with him. After meeting him, I found out that he basically did not reply to such emails.  The appointed time was changed due to his illness and he had to go out, so it was about five months later when I actually met him again.  The reason I described the meeting process with him in such detail was not to complain about why I had to wait so long, but to thank him for taking the time out of his busy schedule to meet with me, whom he had never heard of before.  More importantly, I believe that the arrangement of time is in the hands of the Lord. I must learn to wait for the time He arranges. All I can do is work with God. 

2. Discerning what is the work of the Holy Spirit

My heart was moved during that meeting, and I remembered the first question, which was in the Chinese “Interview with Pastor Yu Hongjie and his wife: Our Story” at about 31:50, when Brother Yu said, “Look, I am proud again.” At that time, I felt in my mind that the Holy Spirit was working in him, otherwise he would not have said that.  Especially since I considered him to be a spiritual elder, I agreed at the time that this must be the case, but I was never 100% sure.  Since only he could tell me the answer, I agreed in my mind to ask him about whether he was moved by the Holy Spirit at that time. Then I was surprised to find out that he was just joking.  Obviously, the feeling I had at that time was wrong. Although I had some such experiences before and knew that I had to make discerning, I was wrong again this time!  Therefore, I know that I have not grown up spiritually, because “…solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil.”(Hebrews 5:14)

I still remember his response was that if I didn’t like him saying it, he would not say it again in the future, so I had to tell him that this was not the reason I asked him the question.  In this matter, I truly realized that, “No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”(1 John 3:9) He could have chosen not to answer or to lie for the sake of his reputation, but he chose to honestly answer this question that probably no one had ever asked before. He did not commit a sin in this matter, and it also allowed me to finally know for sure that it was not the Holy Spirit who was working at that time.

From this I thought of and pointed out that he had testified that sometimes things happen exactly as the result of prayer, but sometimes it is just the opposite, so sometimes you know it in advance.  Because I had similar experiences and knew about it beforehand, and I thought that he was a spiritual elder, so I felt that it must be so, and I said positively that this was the right thing to do.  It was not until I came back that I remembered what was said in the Book of Deuteronomy: “When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.”(Deuteronomy 18:22) Only then did I realize saying about this is sometimes right and sometimes wrong is not right. The Triune God is training us to discern whether it is the work of the Holy Spirit, the old self or even the work of evil spirits. I just don’t know if he understands it this way now.

3. Did Adam have a share in holiness when he was created?

He believed that Adam had no part in holiness when he was created, but the Bible says differently. The Bible says, “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”(Genesis 1:27) Some people may raise questions, because “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; …”(Genesis 1:26) Why do we only talk about image and not likeness? Because image and likeness are two different words and must be discussed separately, otherwise there will definitely be logical problems.

For example, someone may say, ‘I still feel that holiness only exists in God’s life. Adam was created in the image of God, which means that Adam has a spirit.  Jesus became flesh and took on human form, which means He had a body like a human.  I think these are two parallel concepts. According to your inference, since Jesus took on the image of a human being, he should also be sinful.’  If you think like this, there will be a logical problem. The problem is that it assumes that taking on the appearance of a human means being exactly the same as a human.  No, because the Bible says that Jesus “but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant (G3444), and being made in the likeness (G3667) of men.”(Philippians 2:7) So it’s just the likeness!  The image is different.  The Lord was conceived by the Holy Spirit and did not sin throughout His life. This is the image of the Lord. During His incarnation, He indeed took on the image of a servant, a servant of God the Father, and He obeyed God all His life.  Our image is the image of Adam after he sinned.

Let’s briefly talk about the difference between image and likeness here.  Paul said, “For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren.”(Romans 8:29) Please note that he only said to be conformed to the image of Jesus, not to be conformed to the likeness of Jesus, because Jesus took on the form of a man, so we already have the likeness of Jesus.  Because we just said “according to our likeness” in Genesis 1:26, we know that the likeness of man is the likeness of the Triune God.  Although the Bible does not explicitly state what the likeness of the Triune God is, we know that the form is fixed and cannot be tainted by sin.  If it were possible to be tainted by sin, then it would be impossible for Jesus to “…offered Himself without blemish to God, …”(Hebrews 9:14) Because in this case His likeness was tainted by sin.  So it is the image of Adam that is tainted by sin. Like Adam, our image is tainted by sin.

The image of God absolutely includes holiness, “Speak to all the congregation of the sons of Israel and say to them, ‘You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy.”(Leviticus 19:2) People will ask, since Adam was holy, how could he sin?  This is because Adam had free will and could choose to disobey God and eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The definition of sin is disobeying God. Although he was holy, he could sin.  His holiness is different from God’s holiness, “…for He (God) cannot deny Himself.”(2 Timothy 2:13) How can God not obey Himself?  Therefore, God’s holiness is a holiness that cannot sin.

This is closely related to us in the era of New Testament era.  In this era, we believe that “…He (God the Father) rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son.”(Colossians 1:13) The kingdom of His beloved Son is a holy kingdom. We are also holy in Christ, but we also have free will and can sin like Adam!  This is different from what many people think, that if they are holy and thus they will not sin. This is not true. The key is to “Do not quench the Spirit.”(1 Thessalonians 5:19) That is, obey God.  God is not a God who commands an action always, so even when there is no inspiration from the Holy Spirit, we must stand on God’s side.

4. Beyond what we ask or think 

The Bible clearly states, “Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us.”(Ephesians 3:20) So I then asked Brother Yu regarding what is it that is beyond what we ask or think?  Because from his preaching, I know that he has not experienced anything beyond what we think.  This definitely does not refer to things like being healed of a disease. Being healed of a terminal illness is more than what one asks for, but not more than what one thinks.  What is beyond what you think is something you can’t even think. How can you ask for it if you can’t even think it?  Only the Triune God can take the initiative for that.

I told him that I didn’t remember what example he had given about things that were beyond what one could ask or think, but that the example must be wrong, and he quickly realized that it was logically wrong because that example fell into the category of what one could think.  Unless it was as Jesus prophesied to His disciples at that time, that He would die and be resurrected, and Jesus also said, “For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, …”(Matthew 16:27) This was definitely beyond what the disciples and the people could think at that time.  So it’s not that we can’t use what’s happening now as an example, but we have to make sure that the example is beyond what everyone thinks.  In “1123 God reveals His existence through objective facts that are visible to others,” an example is given in which God reveals His existence by using the records of the online medical system.  Because the use of the Internet has only been around in recent decades, and God hasn’t done this for about two thousand years, how can such doing be not beyond what we can think?  If you are interested in this, you can go to the website “https://a-christian-voice.com/” and click “Understanding of Spiritual Life” to find this short article.

5. The true meaning of tithing

At the time we met, I thought that the Bible did not clearly state whether or not to tithe, but I still told him that the New Testament did not mention the need to tithe. His response was to quote this verse, “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected the weightier provisions of the law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the things you should have done without neglecting the others.”(Matthew 23:23) I mainly use the Chinese Union Version. With its translation, I thought that things like justice are necessary. So I didn’t see that it says tithing is necessary.

After I came back, I checked many English versions and the original texts of this scripture in Strong’s Concordance, and found that it indeed saw that it was telling the Pharisees to tithe, but in the end I also realized that Jesus had not yet died and resurrected and ascended to heaven, and that these words were spoken to the people in the era of Old Testament.  In the New Testament, Jesus only commended the widow who gave two small coins (see Luke 21:1-4).  Judging from the fact that “what God tells us through the Bible is consistent,” Jesus will not ask us in the era of New Testament to keep the Law of tithing!  Jesus Himself kept the true meaning of the Sabbath rather than the Law, so how could He ask us to keep the Law!  A person who loves the Lord will naturally consider the needs of God’s house and do his best to provide food for it.  If a person who loves the Lord has the power to give more than the tithe, he will definitely give more than the tenth.  If a person who loves the Lord does not have the ability to offer a tenth, his offering of less than a tithing will still be accepted by the Lord because he has willingly done what he can to the best of his ability.

The most difficult thing for the Brother Yu’s church is probably to no longer advocate tithing according to the Bible, because a realistic problem will be faced by that, that is, whether it can be the same as at the time when the church was first established, at that time everyone loved the Lord so much and God led them to accomplish a church building plan that seemed impossible to achieve.

6. A common mistake

On page 54 of the first volume of ‘Yu Hongjie’s Discipleship of Newcomers,’ when discussing the definition of sin, the first thing cited is the basic theology by Dr. Charles C. Ryrie. According to the description in the book, Dr. Ryrie is considered by many to be one of the most influential basic theologians of the 20th century. I have not read his book, so I have no comment.  But we must understand that his book is also a human work and cannot be compared with the Bible. We should see what the Bible says. When it comes to definitions, we should see whether the Bible says so or whether there is such a concept like Triune God. What we should quote is what the Bible says, not what people say.

On the definition of sin, his definition is inconsistent with the Bible, so there must be logical errors, just as the Bible clearly says, “You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.”(Matthew 7:16-17) However, I will not read his book and point out the logical errors because it is not my responsibility.

(Verses refer to those in NASB95 unless otherwise specified.)

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更正:  關於十一奉獻。這衹是聖靈引導我瞭解十一奉獻的真諦過程中的一次，我在「2142 十一奉獻的真諦和不要認撒但為父」，講述了整個五次的過程。 我在油管和相應的文章中，並沒有個別的更新，而是用更正的方式引用了正確的「2142」，保留了這過程，希望別人不會和我犯下同樣的錯誤。其他的部份沒有問題。謝謝。      

    因为我非常希望看到神赐给于弟兄的教会一个复兴，所以我和他在教会中见过一次约一小时的面，基本上谈了四件事情，我就借著第二到第五谈谈这四件事情，叙述一下我所知道的圣经说法，和一些记得的当时他的回应。因有人告诉我，他看过这篇文章，『2096 于宏洁的新人门训 – 不合乎圣经的地方 (1)』，却没有看到我说的于宏洁的新人门训的错误在那里，我猜是那人那时没有仔细的阅读后半段，因为在『3. 从人的角度看和从神的角度看事情的大不相同』中，我们一开始就讲到了引用经文的错误在那里。那篇文章的安排是先讲对的观念，而在推导对的观念过程中，我们会相当清楚的看到错的地方在那里。在「不合乎圣经的地方 (1)」中，主要是在讲罪的定义，从现在的世界和先前的世界来看，这定义都是一致的，其实我一直想避免指出那课中的一个常犯的错误，我想是时间到了，我不能再避免了，就在最后面讨论了这一点。    

    首先我说说我是如何在主里知道于弟兄的，也讨论了一些相关的事情。在第二中，他又再次的证实了，要分辩在意念中感觉圣灵工作是否是对的。第三，我们讨论到亚当创造时是否和圣洁有份这一点，他认为是无份，而圣经是说有份，如果一个人相信无份，会看到逻辑上会出问题的。第四，我们讨论了超过所求所想的事是指什么，看到许多的例子都基本上会有逻辑上的问题，除了能确实经历过真正超过所想的情况外。第五，我们讨论了十一奉献的真谛，从「神借著圣经告诉我们是一致的」来看，会知道圣经的讯息不会是模棱两可的。最后是指出了一个常犯的错误，也是新人门训在罪的定义中所犯的。

1. 如何在主里知道于宏洁的        

    记得多年前有一位姊妹送来了一个只有音频的信望爱F166，其中有8/13/01于宏洁在中国开始的一个特会的讲道。在这之前，我没有听过于宏洁的名字，在听他音频的当中，有意念问我听不听得到错误，我在意念中很诚实的问答说听不到，于是不知是什么时候，我没听完就停止了听他的音频。现在再听同样的音频，能够分辩出他那次的讲道中，的确是有和圣经讲的不合的地方。        

    后来，听了他一些网上的讲道，知道他牧养的教会是在矽谷，也知道了他是多么的希望神能赐给他们的教会一个复兴。这教会是神所带领我去的各教会中最追求的，我真的非常希望看到神赐给这教会一个复兴，但照目前教会的走向，真的还不够达到复兴的程度，这实在不是论断，而是依照圣经话语的分辩。为什么这样说呢？因为至少要能依照圣经去教导，更正一些错误，如在『2096 于宏洁的新人门训 – 不合乎圣经的地方 (1)』中，所提到的罪的定义。        

    最主要的是要一再强调读经的目的是要得生命，而生命只能从神来，不要消灭圣灵的感动，要让圣灵引导查经，才能不强解圣灵。即使没有圣灵的引导，也就是圣灵要你跨出第一步的时候，仍要站在神那边，在这种情况下，即使犯错，圣灵也会更正你，也就是这是一个学习的过程，学习如何体会圣灵的旨意。没有一个人从出生的时候就是基督徒，同样的，也没有一个人在一信之后，就能完全的知道圣灵的旨意。       

    请注意，这不是说你总是要先踏出第一步，但不是像有些教导所说的，没有圣灵的感动绝对不能够踏出第一步，问题是你怎么知道不是圣灵在等你踏第一步呢？所以你还是要在各方面相当的确定，是圣灵要你踏出第一步你才能踏出第一步，至少事后你可以知道是不是圣灵要你踏出那一步。因为申命记说得很清楚，『先知托耶和华的名说话，所说的若不成就，也无效验，这就是耶和华所未曾吩咐的，是那先知擅自说的，你不要怕他。』(申命记 18:22) 如果你要经历的未来的事是出自神，一定会成就的，所以这是一个学习的过程。如果犯错，回头看就有可能看到错误在那里。

    这些都是经文这样说的，下面就引用了一些相关的经文。关于读经的目的是要得生命: 『你们查考圣经，因你们以为内中有永生；给我(耶稣)作见证的就是这经。然而你们不肯到我这里来得生命。』(约翰福音 5:39-40)        

    关于生命只能从神来:『我(保罗)栽种了，亚波罗浇灌了，惟有神叫他生长。可见栽种的算不得甚么，浇灌的也算不得甚么，只在那叫他生长的神。』(哥林多前书 3:6-7)        

    关于圣灵的带领: 『不要消灭圣灵的感动。』(帖撒罗尼迦前书 5:19)

    关于不强解圣经: 『…我们所亲爱的兄弟保罗，照著所赐给他的智慧写了信给你们。他一切的信上也都是讲论这事。信中有些难明白的，那无学问、不坚固的人强解，如强解别的经书一样，就自取沉沦。』(彼得后书 3:15-16)        

    关于圣灵要你跨出第一步: 以赛亚在旧约说，『主虽然以艰难给你当饼，以困苦给你当水，你的教师却不再隐藏，你眼必看见你的教师。你或向左或向右，你必听见后边有声音说：「这是正路，要行在其间。」』(以赛亚书 30:20-21) 当你跨出了第一步而犯错时，你的教师是在后边，也是事后才告诉你正确的方向。     

    在新约的一个这样的实例记载在使徒行传，『圣灵既然禁止他们(保罗和西拉)在亚西亚讲道，他们就经过弗吕家、加拉太一带地方，到了每西亚的边界，他们想要往庇推尼去，耶稣的灵却不许。他们就越过每西亚下到特罗亚去。在夜间有异象现与保罗：有一个马其顿人站著求他说：「请你过到马其顿来帮助我们！」保罗既看见这异象，我们随即想要往马其顿去，以为神召我们传福音给那里的人听。』(使徒行传 16:6-10) 你看，他们不是先跨出错的第一步，而后圣灵才带领他们吗？又一次我们看到，神借著圣经告诉我们是一致的。

    要知道，『他(耶和华)使摩西知道他的法则，叫以色列人晓得他的作为。』(诗篇 103:7) 要强调圣经的法则，不要像那时的以色列人一样，神作工的时候，大家都很有信心的样子，神一不作工，就不知何去何从。因为圣经是神所默示的，所以我们相信「神借圣经告诉我是一致的」，在不把圣经的话打折扣下，我们会发觉圣经是多么符合逻辑的原则。我们以前分享过，逻辑的原则可分成两部份，就是公理(在某个领域中众人都可接受的事实的扩展到无限时都可成立)，加上客观的逻辑的推导。如果这原则用到个人身上，公理就不是指众人所接受的，而是指个人的看见，是会随时间和经验而改变的。要注意的是逻辑的推导是客观的，是放诸四海皆准不变的。对于这一点，我们在『2111 圣经无误论的真谛』中，讨论了圣经为什么会有明显矛盾的默示，请到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的网站后，按『对属灵生命的了解』，找到这篇文章。谢谢。        

    如果教会中每一个人都能和神合一，教会就能有真正的合一，也就是能达到保罗所说的，『你们就要意念相同，爱心相同，有一样的心思，有一样的意念，…』(腓立比书 2:2) 因为只有合一的耶稣的。当然，在教会里，『就如身子是一个，却有许多肢体；而且肢体虽多，仍是一个身子。基督也是这样。』(哥林多前书 12:12) 我们也看到了神的教会只有一个，是所有接受三位一体的神的人的集合，而不是指地上不同的建筑物。我们看到， 『但如今神随自己的意思把肢体俱各安排在身上了。』(哥林多前书 12:18) 很清楚的，神是有绝对主权的神。

    我是多么的希望这教会能够复兴，觉得有负担和于弟兄交通，如何可能达到复兴的程度，就是因为这负担，也就促成了我们在他的教会中的唯一的一次见面。在这里，我要提一下和他约定时间的过程。为著保持我的匿名，我先是送给教会的办公室秘书一封电子邮件，只要求在电话中和他谈谈，因没有接到回信，只好亲自去教会和他约定见面的时间，和他见面后才知道他基本上不回这样的电子邮件。其间又因他的生病而改时间，加上他必须外出，见到他时已是约五个月后了。我这么详细的说明和他会面的过程，不是在抱怨怎么要等这么久，而是要谢谢他在百忙之中，而仍愿花时间和从没有听过的我见面。更主要的是，我相信时间的安排是在主手上，我要学习等待祂安排的时间，我能做的就只是与神同工而已。

2. 要分辩那些是圣灵的工作        

    那次见面中我心被激动，而想起了第一个问题，就是在「天窗亮话“之于宏洁牧师、师母访谈 ： 我们的故事」中，约31:50分快结束的时候，于弟兄说: 「你看，又骄傲了。」那时我在意念中感觉到，圣灵在他身上作工，要不他不会这样说。尤其我认为他是属灵的长辈，当时就同意必定如此，只是我一直都不能百分之百的确定。因只有他能告诉我答案，所以我就同意了去问他的激动，问他当时有没有被圣灵感动，然后我很意外的知道了他只是开玩笑。很显然的，我当时意念中的感觉是不对的，虽然以前我有一些这样的经验，知道要确实的分辩，但这次又错了！因此我知道，在属灵上我没有长大成人，因为『惟独长大成人的，才能吃干粮，他们的心窍习练得通达，就能分辩好歹了。』(希伯来书 5:14)     

    我还记得他的回应是，如果我不喜欢他这么讲，以后就不这么讲了，因此我得告诉他，我真不是为这原因而问他这问题的。在这件事上，我真的是体会到，『凡从神生的，就不犯罪，因神的道存在他心里；他也不能犯罪，因为他是由神生的。』(约翰一书 3:9) 他可以为他的面子不回答或说谎的，而他选择了诚实的回答这个大概是没有人提到过的问题，没有在此事上犯罪，也让我最终能肯定的知道，当时并不是因为圣灵在工作。

    从这里我想到，而提出了他做过这样的见证，就是有时候事情的发生和祷告的结果完全相同，但有的时候却正好相反，所以有时候会事先知道的。因我也有类似事先知道的经验，想他是属灵的长辈，所以当时觉得必然如此，就很正面的说这样的事情是对的。直到回来后才想到申命记所说的，『先知托耶和华的名说话，所说的若不成就，也无效验，这就是耶和华所未曾吩咐的，是那先知擅自说的，你不要怕他。』(申命记 18:22) 才意识到这样的有时对有时不对是不对的，是三位一体的神在训练我们去分辩是否为圣灵的工作，或是老我甚至于是邪灵的作为，只不知道他现在是不是这样领会的。

3. 亚当创造时是否和圣洁有份        

    他相信亚当创造时和圣洁无份，但圣经不是这样说的。圣经是说，『神就照著自己的形像造人，乃是照著他的形像造男造女。』(创世记 1:27) 有人可能会提出问题，因为『神说：「我们要照著我们的形像，按著我们的样式造人，…』(创世记 1:26) 为什么我们只谈形像而不说样式呢？因为形像和样式是两个字，一定要分开讲，否则一定会有逻辑上的问题。   

    譬如有人这样说，『我还是觉得，圣洁只有在神的生命中才有，亚当是照著神的形象造的，是指亚当有灵。耶稣道成肉身，取得人的样式，是指像人一样有肉身。我觉得这是两个平行的概念，照你的推论，耶稣既是取得人的形象，也应该是有罪才是。』如果是这样想，逻辑上就会出现问题，问题是假设取得人的样式，就是说与人完全相同。不是的，因圣经是说，耶稣『反倒虚己，取了奴仆的形像(G3444)，成为人的样式(G3667)。』(腓立比书 2:7) 所以只是样式相同而已！形像是不同的。主是圣灵感孕而生，又一生不犯罪，这是主的形像，祂的确在道成肉身的期间是取了奴仆的形像，父神的奴仆，一生顺服神。我们的形像则是亚当犯罪后的形像。

    我们就在这里简单的说一下，形像和样式的不同在那里？保罗说，『因为他预先所知道的人，就预先定下效法(模成, be conformed to)他儿子的模样(形像, image)，使他儿子在许多弟兄中作长子。 』(罗马书 8:29) 请注意，他只说  要模成耶稣的形像，没有说要模成耶稣的样式，因为耶稣是取了人的样式，所以我们已经有了耶稣的样式。因为我们刚才说到「按我们的样式」，我们就知道人的样式就是三位一体的神的样式。虽然圣经没有明说三位一体的神的样式是什么，但我们知道样式是固定的，其实样式也不能被罪玷污的。如果可以被罪玷污，那么耶稣就不可能『…将自己无瑕无疵献给神，…』(希伯来书 9:14) 因为祂的样式被罪玷污了。所以被罪玷污的是亚当的形像，我们和亚当相同，形像是被罪玷污的。    

    神的形像绝对包括了圣洁，『你晓谕以色列全会众说：『你们要圣洁，因为我耶和华你们的神是圣洁的。』』(利未记 19:2) 人就会问，既然亚当是圣洁的，怎么会犯罪？这是亚当有自由意志，可以选择不顺服神而吃分别善恶树上的果子，而罪的定义是不顺服神，他虽是圣洁但可以犯罪。他的圣洁和神的圣洁不同，『…因为他(神)不能背乎自己。』(提摩太后书 2:13) 神怎么能不顺服神呢？所以神的圣洁是不能犯罪的圣洁。

    这和新约中的我们是息息相关的。在新约中，我们一信，『他(父神)救了我们脱离黑暗的权势，把我们迁到他爱子的国里。』(歌罗西书 1:13) 祂爱子的国度是圣洁的国度，我们在祂里面也有了圣洁，但也有自由意志，是可以如亚当般犯罪的！这和许多人的想法不同，以为有了圣洁就不会犯罪，不是的，是要『不要消灭圣灵的感动。』(帖撒罗尼迦前书 5:19) 顺服神。神不是一个命令一个动作的神，所以即使是没有圣灵感动的时候，也要站在神那一边。

4. 超过所求所想的事        

    圣经明说，『神能照著运行在我们心里的大力，充充足足地成就一切，超过我们所求所想的。』(以弗所书 3:20) 所以我接著就问他什么是超过所求所想的事情呢？因为从他的讲道中，知道他没有经历过超过所想的事情。这绝对不是指类似病得医治的事情，绝症的得到医治是超过所求，但不是超过所想的。超过所想的是想都想不到的事，既然想不到怎么能求呢？只能三位一体的神主动。        

    我告诉他我不记得，他在超过所求所想的事上举了什么样的例子，但那现在的例子一定是错的，他也很快的意识到这在逻辑上是错的，因为那例子就是属于可想到的一类。除非是像耶稣当时对门徒说的预言那样，祂会死而复活，而且耶稣说，『人子要在他父的荣耀里，同著众使者降临；…』(马太福音 16:27) 这绝对是当时超过了门徒和众人所想的。所以不是不能用现在发生的事情做例子，但我们要确实的知道那例子的确是超过众人所想的。在『2123 神用给别人看的客观事实显现祂的存在』中，就是举了一个这样的例子，神使用网上的医疗系统的纪录，显现了祂的存在。因为网路的使用是近几十年的事，所以神有约两千年没有这样做过，这样做的事情怎么不会是超过所想的呢？如果你有兴趣的话，可以到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的网站后，按『对属灵生命的了解』，找到这篇短文。

5. 十一奉献的真谛       

    我当时是以为，圣经不是明确的说要不要十一奉献，但我还是跟他说新约没有提到要十一奉献，他的反应是引用这节经文，『你们这假冒为善的文士和法利赛人有祸了！因为你们将薄荷、茴香、芹菜献上十分之一，那律法上更重的事，就是公义、怜悯、信实，反倒不行了。这更重的是你们当行的，那也是不可不行的。』(马太福音 23:23) 我主要用的是和合本，因此没有看到这里是说十一奉献是不可不行的，以为公义等事是不可不行的。        

    回来后检查了不少英文版本和汇编原文的这经文，的确看到是对法利赛人说要有十一奉献，但最后也意识到耶稣那时还没有死而复活升天，这话是对在旧约中的人说的。在新约中，耶稣只称赞过奉献两个小钱的寡妇 (参路加福音 21:1-4) 。 从「神借著圣经告诉我们是一致的」来看，耶稣不会要在新约的我们守十一奉献的律法的！耶稣自己守的是安息日的真谛而不是律法，祂怎么会要求我们守律法呢！一个爱主的人自然会考虑到神家的需要，尽可能的使神家有粮。如果一个爱主的人有力量能够做超过十一的奉献，他一定会奉献超过十分之一。如果一个爱主的人没有能力奉献十分之一，他的不到十一的奉献照样为主所悦纳，因为他已甘心情愿的尽他的力量做到能做的。        

    对于弟兄的教会最难的事，恐怕就是按照圣经不再倡导十一的奉献，因为一个现实的问题马上就会面临，就是不知是否和教会建立的初时那样，那时每个人都是这么的爱主，神也带领他们成就了人看是不可能做成的建堂计划。

6. 一个常犯的错误        

    在新人门训上册的第 54页谈到罪的定义中，最先引用的是雷历博士的基础神学，据书中描述，雷博士是被很多人认为是二十世纪最有影响力的基础神学家之一，我没看过他的书，不与置评。但要了解，他的书也是人的著作，不能和圣经相比，是要看圣经怎么说，讲到定义时，要看的是圣经有没有如此说或有没有这概念，要引用的也该是圣经说的而不是人说的。        

    在罪的定义这一点上，他的定义和圣经不符，所以逻辑上一定会有错误，就像圣经很清楚的说，『凭著他们的果子，就可以认出他们来。荆棘上岂能摘葡萄呢？蒺藜里岂能摘无花果呢？这样，凡好树都结好果子，惟独坏树结坏果子。』(马太福音 7:16-17) 不过，我不会因此去看他的书，指出逻辑的错误在那里，因为这不是我的责任。

(你可以在『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』看到所有的文章，到这网站后要按『对属灵生命的了解』。)  

更正:  關於十一奉獻。這衹是聖靈引導我瞭解十一奉獻的真諦過程中的一次，我在「2142 十一奉獻的真諦和不要認撒但為父」，講述了整個五次的過程。 我在油管和相應的文章中，並沒有個別的更新，而是用更正的方式引用了正確的「2142」，保留了這過程，希望別人不會和我犯下同樣的錯誤。其他的部份沒有問題。謝謝。

    因為我非常希望看到神賜給于弟兄的教會一個復興，所以我和他在教會中見過一次約一小時的面，基本上談了四件事情，我就藉著第二到第五談談這四件事情，敘述一下我所知道的聖經說法，和一些記得的當時他的回應。因有人告訴我，他看過這篇文章，『2096 于宏潔的新人門訓 – 不合乎聖經的地方 (1)』，卻沒有看到我說的于宏潔的新人門訓的錯誤在那裏，我猜是那人那時沒有仔細的閱讀後半段，因為在『3. 從人的角度看和從神的角度看事情的大不相同』中，我們一開始就講到了引用經文的錯誤在那裏。那篇文章的安排是先講對的觀念，而在推導對的觀念過程中，我們會相當清楚的看到錯的地方在那裏。在「不合乎聖經的地方 (1)」中，主要是在講罪的定義，從現在的世界和先前的世界來看，這定義都是一致的，其實我一直想避免指出那課中的一個常犯的錯誤，我想是時間到了，我不能再避免了，就在最後面討論了這一點。

       首先我說說我是如何在主裏知道于弟兄的，也討論了一些相關的事情。在第二中，他又再次的證實了，要分辨在意念中感覺聖靈工作是否是對的。第三，我們討論到亞當創造時是否和聖潔有份這一點，他認為是無份，而聖經是說有份，如果一個人相信無份，會看到邏輯上會出問題的。第四，我們討論了超過所求所想的事是指什麼，看到許多的例子都基本上會有邏輯上的問題，除了能確實經歷過真正超過所想的情況外。第五，我們討論了十一奉獻的真諦，從「神藉著聖經告訴我們是一致的」來看，會知道聖經的訊息不會是模稜兩可的。最後是指出了一個常犯的錯誤，也是新人門訓在罪的定義中所犯的。

1. 如何在主裏知道于宏潔的

        記得多年前有一位姊妹送來了一個只有音頻的信望愛F166，其中有8/13/01于宏潔在中國開始的一個特會的講道。在這之前，我沒有聽過于宏潔的名字，在聽他音頻的當中，有意念問我聽不聽得到錯誤，我在意念中很誠實的問答說聽不到，於是不知是什麼時候，我沒聽完就停止了聽他的音頻。現在再聽同樣的音頻，能夠分辨出他那次的講道中，的確是有和聖經講的不合的地方。

        後來，聽了他一些網上的講道，知道他牧養的教會是在矽谷，也知道了他是多麼的希望神能賜給他們的教會一個復興。這教會是神所帶領我去的各教會中最追求的，我真的非常希望看到神賜給這教會一個復興，但照目前教會的走向，真的還不夠達到復興的程度，這實在不是論斷，而是依照聖經話語的分辨。為什麼這樣說呢？因為至少要能依照聖經去教導，更正一些錯誤，如在『2096 于宏潔的新人門訓 – 不合乎聖經的地方 (1)』中，所提到的罪的定義。

        最主要的是要一再強調讀經的目的是要得生命，而生命只能從神來，不要消滅聖靈的感動，要讓聖靈引導查經，才能不強解聖靈。即使沒有聖靈的引導，也就是聖靈要你跨出第一步的時候，仍要站在神那邊，在這種情況下，即使犯錯，聖靈也會更正你，也就是這是一個學習的過程，學習如何體會聖靈的旨意。沒有一個人從出生的時候就是基督徒，同樣的，也沒有一個人在一信之後，就能完全的知道聖靈的旨意。

       請注意，這不是說你總是要先踏出第一步，但不是像有些教導所說的，沒有聖靈的感動絕對不能夠踏出第一步，問題是你怎麼知道不是聖靈在等你踏第一步呢？所以你還是要在各方面相當的確定，是聖靈要你踏出第一步你才能踏出第一步，至少事後你可以知道是不是聖靈要你踏出那一步。因為申命記說得很清楚，『先知託耶和華的名說話，所說的若不成就，也無效驗，這就是耶和華所未曾吩咐的，是那先知擅自說的，你不要怕他。』(申命記 18:22) 如果你要經歷的未來的事是出自神，一定會成就的，所以這是一個學習的過程。如果犯錯，回頭看就有可能看到錯誤在那裏。

        這些都是經文這樣說的，下面就引用了一些相關的經文。關於讀經的目的是要得生命: 『你們查考聖經，因你們以為內中有永生；給我(耶穌)作見證的就是這經。然而你們不肯到我這裏來得生命。』(約翰福音 5:39-40)

        關於生命只能從神來:『我(保羅)栽種了，亞波羅澆灌了，惟有神叫他生長。可見栽種的算不得甚麼，澆灌的也算不得甚麼，只在那叫他生長的神。』(哥林多前書 3:6-7)

        關於聖靈的帶領: 『不要消滅聖靈的感動。』(帖撒羅尼迦前書 5:19)

        關於不強解聖經: 『…我們所親愛的兄弟保羅，照着所賜給他的智慧寫了信給你們。他一切的信上也都是講論這事。信中有些難明白的，那無學問、不堅固的人強解，如強解別的經書一樣，就自取沉淪。』(彼得後書 3:15-16)

        關於聖靈要你跨出第一步: 以賽亞在舊約說，『主雖然以艱難給你當餅，以困苦給你當水，你的教師卻不再隱藏，你眼必看見你的教師。你或向左或向右，你必聽見後邊有聲音說：「這是正路，要行在其間。」』(以賽亞書 30:20-21) 當你跨出了第一步而犯錯時，你的教師是在後邊，也是事後才告訴你正確的方向。

     在新約的一個這樣的實例記載在使徒行傳，『聖靈既然禁止他們(保羅和西拉)在亞西亞講道，他們就經過弗呂家、加拉太一帶地方，到了每西亞的邊界，他們想要往庇推尼去，耶穌的靈卻不許。他們就越過每西亞下到特羅亞去。在夜間有異象現與保羅：有一個馬其頓人站着求他說：「請你過到馬其頓來幫助我們！」保羅既看見這異象，我們隨即想要往馬其頓去，以為神召我們傳福音給那裏的人聽。』(使徒行傳 16:6-10) 你看，他們不是先跨出錯的第一步，而後聖靈才帶領他們嗎？又一次我們看到，神藉著聖經告訴我們是一致的。

       要知道，『他(耶和華)使摩西知道他的法則，叫以色列人曉得他的作為。』(詩篇 103:7) 要强調聖經的法則，不要像那時的以色列人一樣，神作工的時候，大家都很有信心的樣子，神一不作工，就不知何去何從。因為聖經是神所默示的，所以我們相信「神藉聖經告訴我是一致的」，在不把聖經的話打折扣下，我們會發覺聖經是多麼符合邏輯的原則。我們以前分享過，邏輯的原則可分成兩部份，就是公理(在某個領域中眾人都可接受的事實的擴展到無限時都可成立)，加上客觀的邏輯的推導。如果這原則用到個人身上，公理就不是指眾人所接受的，而是指個人的看見，是會隨時間和經驗而改變的。要注意的是邏輯的推導是客觀的，是放諸四海皆準不變的。對於這一點，我們在『2111 聖經無誤論的真諦』中，討論了聖經為什麼會有明顯矛盾的默示，請到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的網站後，按『對屬靈生命的瞭解』，找到這篇文章。謝謝。

        如果教會中每一個人都能和神合一，教會就能有真正的合一，也就是能達到保羅所說的，『你們就要意念相同，愛心相同，有一樣的心思，有一樣的意念，…』(腓立比書 2:2) 因為只有合一的耶穌的。當然，在教會裏，『就如身子是一個，卻有許多肢體；而且肢體雖多，仍是一個身子。基督也是這樣。』(哥林多前書 12:12) 我們也看到了神的教會只有一個，是所有接受三位一體的神的人的集合，而不是指地上不同的建築物。我們看到， 『但如今神隨自己的意思把肢體俱各安排在身上了。』(哥林多前書 12:18) 很清楚的，神是有絕對主權的神。

        我是多麼的希望這教會能夠復興，覺得有負擔和于弟兄交通，如何可能達到復興的程度，就是因為這負擔，也就促成了我們在他的教會中的唯一的一次見面。在這裏，我要提一下和他約定時間的過程。為著保持我的匿名，我先是送給教會的辦公室秘書一封電子郵件，只要求在電話中和他談談，因沒有接到回信，只好親自去教會和他約定見面的時間，和他見面後才知道他基本上不回這樣的電子郵件。其間又因他的生病而改時間，加上他必須外出，見到他時已是約五個月後了。我這麼詳細的說明和他會面的過程，不是在抱怨怎麼要等這麼久，而是要謝謝他在百忙之中，而仍願花時間和從沒有聽過的我見面。更主要的是，我相信時間的安排是在主手上，我要學習等待祂安排的時間，我能做的就只是與神同工而已。

2. 要分辨那些是聖靈的工作

        那次見面中我心被激動，而想起了第一個問題，就是在「天窗亮话“之于宏洁牧师、师母访谈 ： 我们的故事」中，約31:50分快結束的時候，于弟兄說: 「你看，又驕傲了。」那時我在意念中感覺到，聖靈在他身上作工，要不他不會這樣說。尤其我認為他是屬靈的長輩，當時就同意必定如此，只是我一直都不能百分之百的確定。因只有他能告訴我答案，所以我就同意了去問他的激動，問他當時有沒有被聖靈感動，然後我很意外的知道了他只是開玩笑。很顯然的，我當時意念中的感覺是不對的，雖然以前我有一些這樣的經驗，知道要確實的分辨，但這次又錯了！因此我知道，在屬靈上我沒有長大成人，因為『惟獨長大成人的，才能吃乾糧，他們的心竅習練得通達，就能分辨好歹了。』(希伯來書 5:14)

     我還記得他的回應是，如果我不喜歡他這麼講，以後就不這麼講了，因此我得告訴他，我真不是為這原因而問他這問題的。在這件事上，我真的是體會到，『凡從神生的，就不犯罪，因神的道存在他心裏；他也不能犯罪，因為他是由神生的。』(約翰一書 3:9) 他可以為他的面子不回答或說謊的，而他選擇了誠實的回答這個大概是沒有人提到過的問題，沒有在此事上犯罪，也讓我最終能肯定的知道，當時並不是因為聖靈在工作。

        從這裏我想到，而提出了他做過這樣的見証，就是有時候事情的發生和禱告的結果完全相同，但有的時候卻正好相反，所以有時候會事先知道的。因我也有類似事先知道的經驗，想他是屬靈的長輩，所以當時覺得必然如此，就很正面的說這樣的事情是對的。直到回來後才想到申命記所說的，『先知託耶和華的名說話，所說的若不成就，也無效驗，這就是耶和華所未曾吩咐的，是那先知擅自說的，你不要怕他。』(申命記 18:22) 才意識到這樣的有時對有時不對是不對的，是三位一體的神在訓練我們去分辨是否為聖靈的工作，或是老我甚至於是邪靈的作為，只不知道他現在是不是這樣領會的。

3. 亞當創造時是否和聖潔有份

        他相信亞當創造時和聖潔無份，但聖經不是這樣說的。聖經是說，『神就照着自己的形像造人，乃是照着他的形像造男造女。』(創世記 1:27) 有人可能會提出問題，因為『神說：「我們要照着我們的形像，按着我們的樣式造人，…』(創世記 1:26) 為什麼我們只談形像而不說樣式呢？因為形像和樣式是兩個字，一定要分開講，否則一定會有邏輯上的問題。

    譬如有人這樣說，『我還是覺得，聖潔只有在神的生命中才有，亞當是照著神的形象造的，是指亞當有靈。耶穌道成肉身，取得人的樣式，是指像人一樣有肉身。我覺得這是兩個平行的概念，照你的推論，耶穌既是取得人的形象，也應該是有罪才是。』如果是這樣想，邏輯上就會出現問題，問題是假設取得人的樣式，就是說與人完全相同。不是的，因聖經是說，耶穌『反倒虛己，取了奴僕的形像(G3444)，成為人的樣式(G3667)。』(腓立比書 2:7) 所以只是樣式相同而已！形像是不同的。主是聖靈感孕而生，又一生不犯罪，這是主的形像，祂的確在道成肉身的期間是取了奴僕的形像，父神的奴僕，一生順服神。我們的形像則是亞當犯罪後的形像。

    我們就在這裏簡單的說一下，形像和樣式的不同在那裏？保羅說，『因為他預先所知道的人，就預先定下效法(模成, be conformed to)他兒子的模樣(形像, image)，使他兒子在許多弟兄中作長子。 』(羅馬書 8:29) 請注意，他只說  要模成耶穌的形像，沒有說要模成耶穌的樣式，因為耶穌是取了人的樣式，所以我們已經有了耶穌的樣式。因為我們剛才說到「按我們的樣式」，我們就知道人的樣式就是三位一體的神的樣式。雖然聖經沒有明說三位一體的神的樣式是什麼，但我們知道樣式是固定的，其實樣式也不能被罪玷汚的。如果可以被罪玷汚，那麼耶穌就不可能『…將自己無瑕無疵獻給神，…』(希伯來書 9:14) 因為祂的樣式被罪玷汚了。所以被罪玷汚的是亞當的形像，我們和亞當相同，形像是被罪玷汚的。

     神的形像絕對包括了聖潔，『你曉諭以色列全會眾說：『你們要聖潔，因為我耶和華你們的神是聖潔的。』』(利未記 19:2) 人就會問，既然亞當是聖潔的，怎麼會犯罪？這是亞當有自由意志，可以選擇不順服神而吃分別善惡樹上的果子，而罪的定義是不順服神，他雖是聖潔但可以犯罪。他的聖潔和神的聖潔不同，『…因為他(神)不能背乎自己。』(提摩太後書 2:13) 神怎麼能不順服神呢？所以神的聖潔是不能犯罪的聖潔。

        這和新約中的我們是息息相關的。在新約中，我們一信，『他(父神)救了我們脫離黑暗的權勢，把我們遷到他愛子的國裏。』(歌羅西書 1:13) 祂愛子的國度是聖潔的國度，我們在祂裏面也有了聖潔，但也有自由意志，是可以如亞當般犯罪的！這和許多人的想法不同，以為有了聖潔就不會犯罪，不是的，是要『不要消滅聖靈的感動。』(帖撒羅尼迦前書 5:19) 順服神。神不是一個命令一個動作的神，所以即使是沒有聖靈感動的時候，也要站在神那一邊。

4. 超過所求所想的事

        聖經明說，『神能照着運行在我們心裏的大力，充充足足地成就一切，超過我們所求所想的。』(以弗所書 3:20) 所以我接著就問他什麼是超過所求所想的事情呢？因為從他的講道中，知道他沒有經歷過超過所想的事情。這絕對不是指類似病得醫治的事情，絕症的得到醫治是超過所求，但不是超過所想的。超過所想的是想都想不到的事，既然想不到怎麼能求呢？只能三位一體的神主動。

        我告訴他我不記得，他在超過所求所想的事上舉了什麼樣的例子，但那現在的例子一定是錯的，他也很快的意識到這在邏輯上是錯的，因為那例子就是屬於可想到的一類。除非是像耶穌當時對門徒說的預言那樣，祂會死而復活，而且耶穌說，『人子要在他父的榮耀裏，同着眾使者降臨；…』(馬太福音 16:27) 這絕對是當時超過了門徒和眾人所想的。所以不是不能用現在發生的事情做例子，但我們要確實的知道那例子的確是超過眾人所想的。在『2123 神用給別人看的客觀事實顯現祂的存在』中，就是舉了一個這樣的例子，神使用網上的醫療系統的紀錄，顯現了祂的存在。因為網路的使用是近幾十年的事，所以神有約兩千年沒有這樣做過，這樣做的事情怎麼不會是超過所想的呢？如果你有興趣的話，可以到『 https://a-christian-voice.com/ 』的網站後，按『對屬靈生命的瞭解』，找到這篇短文。

5. 十一奉獻的真諦

       我當時是以為，聖經不是明確的說要不要十一奉獻，但我還是跟他說新約沒有提到要十一奉獻，他的反應是引用這節經文，『你們這假冒為善的文士和法利賽人有禍了！因為你們將薄荷、茴香、芹菜獻上十分之一，那律法上更重的事，就是公義、憐憫、信實，反倒不行了。這更重的是你們當行的，那也是不可不行的。』(馬太福音 23:23) 我主要用的是和合本，因此沒有看到這裏是說十一奉獻是不可不行的，以為公義等事是不可不行的。

        回來後檢查了不少英文版本和彙編原文的這經文，的確看到是對法利賽人說要有十一奉獻，但最後也意識到耶穌那時還沒有死而復活升天，這話是對在舊約中的人說的。在新約中，耶穌只稱讚過奉獻兩個小錢的寡婦 (參路加福音 21:1-4) 。 從「神藉著聖經告訴我們是一致的」來看，耶穌不會要在新約的我們守十一奉獻的律法的！耶穌自己守的是安息日的真諦而不是律法，祂怎麼會要求我們守律法呢！一個愛主的人自然會考慮到神家的需要，儘可能的使神家有糧。如果一個愛主的人有力量能夠做超過十一的奉獻，他一定會奉獻超過十分之一。如果一個愛主的人沒有能力奉獻十分之一，他的不到十一的奉獻照樣為主所悅納，因為他已甘心情願的儘他的力量做到能做的。

        對于弟兄的教會最難的事，恐怕就是按照聖經不再倡導十一的奉獻，因為一個現實的問題馬上就會面臨，就是不知是否和教會建立的初時那樣，那時每個人都是這麼的愛主，神也帶領他們成就了人看是不可能做成的建堂計劃。

6. 一個常犯的錯誤

        在新人門訓上册的第 54頁談到罪的定義中，最先引用的是雷歷博士的基礎神學，據書中描述，雷博士是被很多人認為是二十世紀最有影響力的基礎神學家之一，我沒看過他的書，不與置評。但要瞭解，他的書也是人的著作，不能和聖經相比，是要看聖經怎麼說，講到定義時，要看的是聖經有沒有如此說或有沒有這概念，要引用的也該是聖經說的而不是人說的。

        在罪的定義這一點上，他的定義和聖經不符，所以邏輯上一定會有錯誤，就像聖經很清楚的說，『憑着他們的果子，就可以認出他們來。荊棘上豈能摘葡萄呢？蒺藜裏豈能摘無花果呢？這樣，凡好樹都結好果子，惟獨壞樹結壞果子。』(馬太福音 7:16-17) 不過，我不會因此去看他的書，指出邏輯的錯誤在那裏，因為這不是我的責任。

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